Additional Thoughts on Our Video “Forrest Fenn DID NOT Hide a Treasure in 2009 or 2010!”

One of the challenges of producing video is that it establishes our state of mind at a specific place in time. And, after watching the video, it is inevitable one will expand their thinking on the matter. It has happened in this case. I will continue to update this blog post as new thinking, either ours, or someone else’s, arises.

6.10.2017 The olive jar plays an important role in whether or not Fenn hid the treasure before 2003. Fenn has described it as containing at least two items for certain, 1. a miniaturized copy of his autobiography, and 2. some hair from his head. There may be a third, as he indicated in the 2013 “Everything is Stories” interview; an “IOU” for $100,000, giving a reason for the finder to let Fenn know the treasure’s been found. The IOU made sense. The biography, knowing Fenn, also made sense. The hair makes sense in only one case. It provides the DNA evidence that Fenn hid the treasure if there was a chance the treasure would be found before he published the book. It is the only situation in which the hair is relevant. Since the treasure will be found after the publishing of the book, and either before or after his death, it is irrelevant.

6.1.2017 Fenn confidant, Dal Neitzel (his blog is at didn’t quite believe me when I said on video that Fenn did not hide the treasure in 2009 or 2010. He was so convinced that he decided to prove my thesis wrong by contacting a Fenn-family member who happened to be a trusted friend of his, Skippy’s son, Crayton. In his blog post, Neitzel says he wrote Crayton an email asking, “What year do you think it was that you saw it in his home?” – referring to the treasure, and apparently having been told that Crayton had seen the treasure at some time.

Crayton’s response was, “Our best guess is that it was on his dinning room table in 2009.” Neitzel accepts it as if it were an answer to the question he asked. It is not. Read both the question and the answer carefully. Effectively, Neitzel asks, “…what year did you see the treasure,” and Crayton responds, “…it may have been on his dining room table in 2009.” It may very well have been, but it does not answer the question Neitzel asked. Nor does it indicate that Crayton “saw the treasure in 2009.” In addition, I’m sure you could imagine why the “it’s a secret if the other person is dead” guy is highly unlikely to have left a treasure chest with an estimated value of millions on his dining room table.

The response, while not an outright lie, is as diversionary as “Why are you making such a big deal out of that, Ritt,” or “I tell people that I was 79 or 80 when I hid the treasure,” or “I was never good at math, but that’s the way I remember it.”

And, it worked. Neitzel accepted it enough to post a long entry on the matter. And, his readers accepted it as “proof.” It is not. If anything, it’s substantiation of what we’ve vlogged.

Fenn was a successful fighter pilot and a successful businessman. He was never good at math? Puh-leeze, ninja.

5.26.17 (Thanks Dan) Is it possible that Fenn could have made two trips to hide the treasure; one in 2001 – 2003 to hide the chest, and a second sometime later (including 2009 – 2010 to put the contents into the chest? That would resolve the “…I made two trips from my car to hide the treasure..” (My quotes, not Fenn’s.) While all the other possibilities remain in place, including the claim that some “…had seen the treasure…” after 2003.

5.27.17 Forrest once said that his father, Marvin, would know exactly where he hid the treasure. His father would have seen Fenn’s “special place.” The implication is: Marvin would have been there. Marvin would have been 80 in 1983, four years before his death. Could it be that Fenn took his father to his “special place” one last time before his father’s death? That would resolve the question of “…don’t look for the treasure in a place where a 79 or 80 year old man couldn’t go.” (My quotes, not Fenn’s.) And, certainly, it would make the location very special to Fenn, because of the love and respect he has for his Father’s memory.