We Discuss Lorene Mills Interview w/ Forrest Fenn | Live Stream Followed by Q&A

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A Gypsy’s Kiss​😃

Clayton Watson​Hello Hello

Jimmy Fast​Hello

Rick Plank​Hello from Cincinnati

Allen K​Hello AGK! Looking and sounding good!

Wayne Peterson​hey all NuggetBrain Wayne here

B Cross​Hello all

David Charles Davio22​Like hat you all are doing lately. Much Love

Ashley Bergstrom​Hello!

Paul McGinty​hello all

fossilman123​howdy all

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David Charles Davio22​Davio audio. Sounds good.

Edward Owen​sup

Cmonkeyification​Aww, new book smell. Mmm…

David Charles Davio22​New book smell. lol

Laura Doise​watch all the time!!

Andrew West​AGK Third time catching you live!! Spread the good word Toby

Andrew West​AGK, didn’t you guys already post this Video? Didn’t it originally have the New Mexico arts intro NMEA?

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Steve Gaghagen​AGK searcher was Marc Howard

Jimmy Fast​Keep it mint in box for the most Money

Cmonkeyification​AGK: When you inform the media, tell us where it was located!!!

Eric Schmidt​AGK: when you anonymously have it auctioned at Southbys won’t they the IRS tax you? (even though the auction price will be higher the government will take their share)

Cmonkeyification​AGK: or at least where warm waters halt

Eric Schmidt​Cmonkeyification – they have said they will never reveal where it was found if they find it

Jimmy Fast​There is no upside to revealing where it was found….tell no one!

Eric Schmidt​Jimmy – exactly!

Andrew West​AGK, where is the superchat button/link?

Eric Schmidt​Toby – check your thermostat..

David Dow​AGK: have you listened to the interview 10/25/2010? It’s about 20 minutes long.

Block​Can treasure be hidden in Santa Fe mountains ?

John Wood​it would be extremely difficult for me to part with any of the treasure if I find it.

Journeyman​I would say “I left 20-50 gold coins for 2nd place and good luck!”

James Kruse​Howdy

Jimmy Fast​@journeyman you will lose a lot of value if you break up the treasure

walters1134​the value is in the chase not the gold

Journeyman​It’s not about more value than I will already have gotten.

Joey Pero​Yes yes yes!

David Charles Davio22​I am sure there are two 1933 Double eagle coins. That would make world News.

Edward Owen​why 1993 are they valuable?

John Wood​Hopefully I can make enough sales from the autobiography that I can keep all the treasure.

Joey Pero​@AGK we should count the chapters *hint hint*

Edward Owen​David sorry 1933

Paul McGinty​8pm UK Time

Andrew West​How many joey?

David Charles Davio22​Page 4. First letter A alpha,

Eric Schmidt​Although 445,500 specimens of this Saint-Gaudens double eagle were minted in 1933, none were ever officially circulated and all but two were ordered melted down.

Paul McGinty​I’m watching from UK.

Edward Owen​Thanks

Eric Schmidt​NP

David Charles Davio22​Look up 1933 double. No one knows how many there are out there. But FOREST the great collector.

Bill Gorman​You’ll find many of his bottle caps in his special place which means you’ll need a metal detector.

Edward Owen​Thanks

An Average Person​AGK – did you notice at 7:24 min’s, she wants to discuss the treasure and starts with “so you buried the treasure…” and doesn’t get corrected.

Joey Pero​Hello AGK!

Liam O’Neil​An average person, she corrected herself right after saying that

Joel Lewicki​AGK: Hey!

Joel Lewicki​on twitter, “agypsyskisstv” and “agypsyskisslive” appear to both be available (FYI)

An Average Person​Liam… hummm… let me go look again, thanks.

Clayton Watson​🏔🏔🏔🏔

Steve Gaghagen​AGK how many differences are there between the different editions? could there be more hints in the first edition?

Andrew West​I am on my phone. I don’t see emojis or $

Jimmy Fast​No super chat on my iPhone 7+

Paul Ammons​got it👍

David Charles Davio22​Fenn the great collector 1933 Double eagle Thats how he will know it was found.

Stephen Johns​Hi AGK from Canada.

David Charles Davio22​Have seen you the video 2010 AT the CODY mussium

Joey Pero​Hahahhaha my pleasure ! Keeping it honest !

Cmonkeyification​[message retracted]

Cindy Guess​Mary-Charlotte Radio Cafe

Joey Pero​Start with the first post mark @agk

Timothy Alkire​why would ff say “Occasionally it’s wise for the fox to dress like the hound” if he hid it on Public land.

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Adam Foddy​Hey Toby and Shelley! Hope you are both well

Block​Is the Santa Fe ski basin within the search area ?

Heather Guillen​Have you guys considered that the clues may not start in the 4 states that are represented? The treasure may be in those states but not the first few clues?

Paul Ammons​Do the nine clues and locations to those clues land within the boundaries of the TFTW Map”

Joel Lewicki​AGK: on Twitter

David Charles Davio22​THE Buffalo bill center interviews 2010.

MR G​AGK-Do you really believe that somebody has been within 200 ft or 500 ft from the treasure?

David Charles Davio22​McCracken Research Library has interveiws 2010

Timothy Alkire​I forgot to put AGK. on my question, darn it…

Chuck Denny​Hello from Charlotte, NC!

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

David Charles Davio22​AGK so new at this. McCracken Research Library is

Edward Owen​AGk do you have to reveal to anyone (IRS etc )where you found treasure….Thx

Block​[message retracted]

Liam O’Neil​I do, but what did fenn mean by searchers? Everyone is searching for something so anybody could have been within 500-200 ft

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Cmonkeyification​David Charles Davio22 where are the videos located?

David Charles Davio22​AGK McCracken Research Library is the Buffalow bill mussium. . He was interveiwed, 2010. at the time he went out to bury it.

Block​AGK thank you for answering my question !! God bless .

Rick Plank​@AGK: Do you know if FF owns any other land?

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Cmonkeyification​David Charles Davio22 Where can you find the inteview? Is it on their website?

Andrew West​AGK I solved the problem of public private land. Forrest “lost” this chest. All you have to do is return it and give me back my bracelet, and it’s yours.

Steve Gaghagen​AGK as for the new Mexico parks regulations for warm waters are more of them located north of Santa Fe or south of Santa Fe?

Stephen Johns​AGK Forrest once referred to a adding a hundred thousand dollar cheque as the way of telling if the treasure was found. Now he can’t remember if he did it. Your thoughts. Thanks

David Charles Davio22​AGK . Do you find it interesting that the book just Starts on page 4, and the first Letter is A… Alpha, page 6 W omega.? your thoughts ?

Eric Schmidt​Andrew WEst – that works only if FOrrest is still alive..

Cmonkeyification​AGK: Couldn’t Forrest just leave a legal title transfer document within the chest for the finder?

Andrew West​Eric he isn’t the only one who knows the location. If will be passed on with his estate

Journeyman​AGK I have looked at New Mexico fishing regs. Can you explain the in detail warm waters?

AJ 21​Do think WWWH could be a glacier ?

Edward Owen​AGK could you please explain why you beleive FF was closer to 70 verses 80? Thanks guys…

Paul Ammons​AKA I don’t believe I would keep a secret with FF…Lol

Heather Guillen​AGK Do either of you know how Fenn came into ownership of San Lazarus pueblo? I want to know if he bought the land knowing it was on the property and planned to excavate it or if it was a coincidence?

James Kruse​Agk: do you think the TC is bare, or did fenn protect the box somehow, which might allow it to be hiding it in plain sight?

Steve Gaghagen​thanks Toby and Shelley great show and great content!

MR G​AGK-I know you guys believe that Forrest hid the treasure before 2009-2010. Didn’t the FBI supposedly see the chest in his house around 2009-2010?

phil​The chest can’t be anywhere too hot or the wax on the jar would melt, besides river bottoms, where else could work?

Clayton Watson​Phil, micro crystalline wax has a melting point of 145-200 degrees depending on type.

Andrew West​AGK Shelley, you always skip my comments 😡

phil​@Clayton Watson roger that

Jimmy Fast​Hit the super chat button Andrew

David Charles Davio22​AGK Interesting that : Title to the gold IS: 79 on the Periodic table.

Andrew West​Haha jimmy. There is no superchat button. You know that

Clayton Watson​Also @phil, Fenn was more worried about it cracking from the cold so he heated the wax until it was smoking (to get the lowest viscosity) so that it more deeply penetrate the threads on the olive jar.

Paul Ammons​AGK if there is dust how can it be wet?

Cain Holshouser​AGK: What could the blaze be that no person could easily remove, something small or large? Paint? What are your ideas for what the blaze could be?

Alexander Koch​how do you think FF would react in case someone would email him an correct solution to the poem? Do you think he would get cold feet and therefore retreat from the chase to avoid that it is found?

Joey Pero​@AGK what is the strangest “anomaly” have you discovered within TTOTC memoir?

Eric Schmidt​Anyone want to see a picture of the chest in the vault?

Paul McGinty​AGK What type of car/truck did Forest drive around at the time he hid the treasure

Clayton Watson​AGK: Regarding the hide date, wouldn’t you have to take Fenn at his word similar to how you said you have to believe it when he talks about searchers being within 200/500 feet??

jaswinters​yes eric

Heather Guillen​AGK In a podcast interview between FF and Isaac Cole they are referencing to fishing areas in Yellowstone/W.Yellowstone and FF states he hasn’t been “up there since 1950” what do you think about this?

Eric Schmidt​Scrapbook 14 on Neitzel’s site

Eric Schmidt​Just to the left of his right elbow on the shelf

Joey Pero​@AGK haha yes 200-500 feet up or down?!?

Clayton Watson​I meant wouldn’t you have to believe FF buried it in 2009/2010

Joey Pero​@Eric Schmidt thank you for sharing. SB 14 is old news.

Clayton Watson​or “hid” however you want to describe it

Paul Ammons​AGK being that Fenn was a large Outdoorsman and love to fish why is there little talk about the Pecos wilderness in his writings. I lived in Cowles for 6 years.

Jon Koop​😎

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David Charles Davio22​AGK: Title to the gold on the Periodic table is 79.

Edward Owen​Thanks Guys…

dpete82​AGK: He mentions that he left typos in the book on purpose during one of the interviews

Cindy Guess​Thanks!!! See ya Thursday!

Joey Pero​^——yes @AGK thank you!

Joel Lewicki​AGK: Thank you!

James Kruse​Thanks guys

Edward Owen​Im heading out again in spring on my 4th…search

David Charles Davio22​Thank you..

Laurie James​TY

Eric Schmidt​TY

Journeyman​Thanks guys

Paul Ammons​👍💫👍

Forrest Fenn & the Denver Museum of Nature & Science – Live Stream with Q&A

Live Chat

A Gypsy’s Kiss​The program starts at 1pm. Join us,

Jimmy Fast​Here

Man In The Barn​Hello Toby and Shelly

Matt​the suspense, the suspense

Jimmy Fast​I have been looking forward to this show👍👍

Katie Mader​hi

Bob Schoppman​Got it

Chris Bischof​Hi team!

Joey Pero​Hi guys!

Jimmy Fast​Loud

AJ 21​Hi

Jay Ell​Hola

Cmonkeyification​Hi guys

Jimmy Fast​And clear

Rick Plank​Hi from Cincinnati

Mary Green​hi guys

Eric Schmidt​Greetings!

Martin Katz​Finally…Notification!

David Dow​Hello

Bob Schoppman​An hour early?

Joey Pero​Hello from NYC!

Ashley Bergstrom​Hi Toby and Shelly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mary Green​sound good

Matt​time zone Bob

Cmonkeyification​Same Fenn time, same Fenn channel

Matt​bwhahaha, the russians did it.

craig foulds​I really enjoyed your “Riddle in Fenn’s Poem” video.

Chad Bird​what’s up guys … looking forward to hear what yeah have to say…. same with us, if you ever see CABvs.Jab videos let us know… maybe check the boys channel out, we will up load tonight… b funny

Mary Green​russians looking for IT too competition ha! ha!

Nikolai Strov​😎👍

Cmonkeyification​Should’ve asked all the kids WWWH.

Eric Schmidt​you’re not old Toby!

David Dow​AGK: Did they have exhibits that show other states?

Steve Gaghagen​AGK hello from thawing Nebraska

B Cross​Greetings from Texas

Seannm Seannm​Hey all

Matt​those kids have a search and find list, so they run around.

Sol Choquette​Message deleted by Jimmy Fast.View deleted message

Nikolai Strov​😂

Mary Green​AGK, exhibits change yr to yr @ most museums

Mary Green​@ Nikolai Strov u in u.s.a.

Sol Choquette​view the canyon down and the blaze @highasthesun ig
Sol Choquette was hidden by Jimmy Fast.

Nikolai Strov​Fayettenam NC

B Cross

Mary Green​Fayettenam NC, cool M base

David Dow​I still think he was going to drive to the museum, walk down the street and pay cash for a train ticket to destination unknown.

Cmonkeyification​It’s a long, long walk to get downtown from the museum.

Mary Green​@David Dow​ wow and lugging 42#

RedneckExpress​AGK: Why do you think the car location reported from Preston changed from the original Northern Arizona U location to the Denver Museum?

David Dow​No need show id to catch a taxi. Just a thought.

Mary Green​taxi works

Adam Foddy​Hello Shelley and Toby from the UK

Seannm Seannm​@AGK I believe that the final clue has nothing to do with the location, DMNS. As the mention in OUAW is that the final clue would be where he parked his car….. not the museum in itself.

David Dow​Mary green. Possibly he hid it prior to leaving his car. Possibly even years before.

Nikolai Strov​He could have traveled by horse

Edna Purviance​Hello, From North Eastern Pa., Great Vlog as always! A Steam Engine, Train, runs on Weak signals.

Nikolai Strov​How much time do you consider an afternoon? What is the longest distance you would consider traveling in that time?

Cmonkeyification​Depends on the terrain and incline.

Edward Owen​Similar question as last time: What is the highest elevation incline would FF been able to do 2 times? 10,20,30? Thanks

Coleen DeBaldo​agc do you think he may do this if he was on his death bed

Dan Kirk​[message retracted]

11B 2P Treasure finder​Hi Shelley hi Toby

Bryan Schultz​can you start over?

Rick Plank​AGK: Do you still think that he hid the treasure in 2003?

Jay Ell​AGK-What’s the room in the museum for the CO clues?

Nikolai Strov​I believe the way was simple at the time he hid Indulgence.. I do not believe the way there is as assessable as it was when he hid it.. it can not be simplified

Dan Kirk​[message retracted]

Mary Green​@David Dow hmmm maybe

Chris Bischof​AGK – So what’s the approximate travel time (by car) from Denver Museum to the majority of your NM targets?

Matt​what kind of map would you recommend to use in searching

Z Brewmeister​Aquamarine is the gem

phillyat1​what do you think of a search around Tarryall,Co.?as it used to be called TARRYGRABALL!TO TOBY YOUNIS,FROM PHYLLIS Allen

Joey Pero​I read a book about musical note groupings. In other words- a different way of mentally and physically interpreting linear bar lines. Do you think a different process of reading he poem may help?

Chris Bischof​Steve Brancato

Cowlazars​hi guys just turned this on!!! Stop doing it during myu lunch hour lol!!

Nikolai Strov​😂😆

Steven Merillat​recent subscriber, love it and your doing a great job!!!

Laurie James​Aquamarine is the state gem found on Antero Mountain!

Seannm Seannm​@AGK thank you for the answer

Cowlazars​Are you still hiding coins? Was the last one found?

11B 2P Treasure finder​Was wondering if I could talk with Toby on messenger or something like that ? If so need your contact info.

Martin Katz​Topic update please. Why are you “crossing Colorado off your list”? Has nothing changed or is there new data that further confirmed your previous conclusion?

Steven Merillat​AGK… Could home of Brown be home of Anasazi?

Z Brewmeister​AGK: Where could Forrest throw his body on the treasure that he wouldn’t have to worry about all the animals (NM video) disturbing the body?

Seannm Seannm​@AGK what is your interpretation of the word riches. ? Thank you

Edna Purviance​Denver Museum, Two American Indian Paintings, Indian’s facing Opposite directions, may be important. Check Fenn website Santa Fe Trading Co.

Mary Green​@Z Brewmeister, JMO no where

Bjchamblee​Hey Guys, running late.

Laurie James​but he said he was 79 or 80 when he hid it ….

David Dow​AGK: could hiding it in 2003 have been his test run?

Martin Katz​AGK – Topic Update Please. Why are you “crossing Colorado off your list”? Has nothing changed or is there new data that further confirmed your previous conclusion?

Steven Merillat​There are BLM/Tapo maps online.

Steve Klein​Damn I’m late

Laurie James​AGK. so he hid the chest before he wrote the book and finalized the poem?

Matt​oldest exhibit, could be dino bones or older, lile gold and gems or longest time on site, very Fenny response.

Eric Schmidt​Laurie James – he published the poem in 2010, but started writing it in 1988

Joey Pero​@agk I read a book about musical note groupings. It basically explains how to interpret linear phrases in music. Do you think this is some value in “rephrasing” the poem?

Urban Tiant​Do you feel like it’s in the Cimarron area?

Rick Plank​@AGK: Do you think HOB might have anything to do with the Philmont Scout Ranch?

James Kruse​Hey guys

Edna Purviance​I believe treasure is also in New Mexico. Eric Sloane may be important to treasure location.

phillyat1​why are u so fixated on NM and what was just one hint that formed your opinion,Thanks

Joey Pero​Thank you!

Cowlazars​What do you think of Glacier National Park as WWWH?

Z Brewmeister​ancient ones or Richard Witherall’s nickname

Steve Klein​AGK is the san juan river your warm waters halt

Seannm Seannm​@AGK thank you for the response on the word riches. Keep up the great work.

William Zimmerman​has anyone asked fenn if people from his past who have passed away would be able to find the treasure? for example his father or sloane?

11B 2P Treasure finder​AGK do you think line 6 refers to direction. And line 7 refers to distance ? You need both to find your next point in land NAV Toby knows that.

Nikolai Strov​Lead the way

Z Brewmeister​Nana was 80 years old when he was ambushing the US forces all over the SW.

Matt​Toby perhaps a video series of each of the catch words ricjes, bold warm, etc could be a lengthy topic of ideas .

Edna Purviance​Gardiner or another spelling of the word; Gardner, is related to Robert Redford, Lillian Gish, Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Doolittle, George Burns, Amos and Andy, others..all mentioned by Fenn.

David Dow​AGK: could it have been in a trip whenForrest’s father was 79 or 80? When he discovered his location. Two men can keep a secret….

Laurie James​thanks!

DAVID S​Cowlazers…. what do u think of Kyle Sandau’s revelations…

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Cowlazars​David makes no sense to me at all.

DAVID S​I’m def not saying he’s right but some of the stuff was telling

Laurie James​or if enough time has passed that the book and poem are long gone ….

HoneyB100​Is it true Fenn said the treasure was close enough to Home Of Brown to walk too?

Bjchamblee​What do you think of his statement “I could go right straight to it”? Fenn speak?

Seannm Seannm​@AGK what is your thoughts on Forrest’s mention that some may have solved the first four clues but he is not certain. Thank you

Mary Green​AGK is the poem in the chest

Bryan Schultz​AGK: Have you found 2 really good clues in TTOTC that supports your solution of the poem?

Cheyena Dowler​AGK

Nikolai Strov​😂

Belva Jenkins​Why have you eliminated mtns east of the Rio Grand?

Belva Jenkins​I meant to say west

Cheyena Dowler​If your solves dont work out in New Mexico, where will you look next?

Laurie James​ah ha!

gallant171​Fenn said, the first and second clue can be found on a map by a girl in India, How would you define the first clue in relation to a place that can be FOUND on a map?


Jason Hilgerson​AGk hello 👋

OnTheGrind Acting​how do you know its still even out there?

Journeyman​AGK Any thing new on the accidental clue @ Denver or anywhere else?

Urban Tiant​Fenn poured the ashes of a close friend out his plane window. Could she be the two people can keep a secret if one is dead?

Cheyena Dowler​AGK Do you think an older map might name something in terms of where warm waters halt outside of new Mexico?

Jason Hilgerson​AGk what kind of Lateran was that he showed on the nightline interview

Laurie James​fishing regulations won’t last a 100 years or a 1000 …

AJ 21​What aspect of native culture connect to the poem ? And should we listen to fenn when he says to “simplify”?

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

David Dow​AGK: Toby, fo you know where the best place to find an old map? Say 50’s or 60’s era, possibly 70’s.

Jimmy Corn​Didnt he say” if i told you where home of brown is youd walk right to it”

Steve Klein​Laurie James I agree about the fishing regulations not lasting 100 years plus

sim8213​AGK I’ve recently read the book, totc, I don’t believe there is a mention relating to NM. Thought?

scott adams​below the home of brown, has to be shallow becausee of the saying there will be no paddle up your creek.

James Kruse​If NM comes off the table for some reason, do you have a 2nd area of interest?

Steve Klein​AGK me and Laurie won’t to know if new mexico fishing regulations will last 100 plus years?

Cmonkeyification​Jimmy Corn, yup he said that.

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

11B 2P Treasure finder​AGK so WWWH has s clue #1 then direction + distance then HOB be clue number 2 ? I don’t think direction and distance are actual clues just implied directions. They are different I believe

Jason Hilgerson​Cowlasers -good to see you again . Really enjoy your show

HoneyB100​I don’t think a girl in India would be aware of fishing regulations in NM. I think Fenn was saying it would be obvious to anyone just seeing the map. Probably names on the map.

11B 2P Treasure finder​I meant is clue #1

Man In The Barn​Honey is spot on

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

An Average Person​AGK – knowing that FF likes “word meanings”, any thought of calling the chest Indulgence?

Cmonkeyification​HoneyB100 Forrest has said Toponymy won’t help you.

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

RedneckExpress​Drunk guy searching for keys under street light, cop comes by and asks is this where he lost them?, DG says no, lost them in park.. cops asks why you searchin here? DG: cuz this is where light is

Cmonkeyification​Famous Steakhouse is on Tejon St.

Janet Land​why is the word cloves circled in the new book?

Inna Yarm.​[message retracted]

HoneyB100​Toponymy is the study of names. I’m not saying the names have to be studied. Places have names and we’re following places on a map to find the treasure.

RedneckExpress​Inna Yarm – didn’t you ask this same question during last weeks show???

Cheyena Dowler​AGK Why do you think he says “worth the cold” do you think you have to get into water at some point?

scott adams​couldn’t the home of brown be the dirt ? theres calcium ,red dirt. ash. and brown?

HoneyB100​For example Cowlazer’s idea about Glacier Park is an example of a clue for WWWH that a girl in India might understand without studying the name.

Eric Schmidt​AGK: you guys are going into overtime today! Thank you!

sim8213​AGK. Ty

Matt​could tell Toby really felt some of his answers.

Laurie James​Merci!

Seannm Seannm​@AGK great marathon session.


Zero Days Life​Thanks! Good info and ideas.

jeepgirljody​Nice job guys!

Inna Yarm.​[message retracted]

Nikolai Strov​See you next time, be safe everyone! 🙏

RedneckExpress​Thanks AGK!!

DAVID S​Did everyone see the photo with Forest Fenn and the chest on a shelf and the golden frog hanging on the wall?

Eric Schmidt​I did David S

Bjchamblee​thanks guys.


Denver Museum of Nature and Science, January, 2018

See more about our recon to the Denver Museum of Nature and Science on our live stream, 1pm MST, Tuesday, January 23. Q&A to follow presentation. Join us!

Au Revoir Forrest! The Fenn Nightline Episode – Live Stream with Q&A

Live Stream Chat

A Gypsy’s Kiss ​Program starts at 1 pm MST

Man In The Barn ​Hello Toby and Shelly

Jimmy Fast ​Thank you for posting the nightline show
Toa Lime was timed out by Jimmy Fast for 300 seconds.

Toa Lime was hidden by Jimmy Fast.

Edward Owen​ Thanks for telling us Night line was doing the Forrest Fenn Interview…Looking good for 69..

Kyle Lambert ​Happy birthday toby! have fun in denver, wish I could meet you guys but I’m in the springs and doubt you guys will make it this direction

Cindy Guess​ Happy Birthday, Toby!

Eric Schmidt ​I can’t hear you Shelley

Chad Bird ​what’s up buddies, did anyone ever check out Salida more… we went skiing in red river (it looked promising, but haven’t researched it at all yet). we drove into toas to check out a movie… RR maybe

Cindy Guess​ Volume seems really low today. Better go get my hearing aids.

Edward Owen ​Volume seems normal

David Graham ​I thought that the Gorman guy found it.

Eric Schmidt​maybe its on my end..

Inna Yarm.​Hi Toby and Shelly. Thank you for promoting healthy life style/hiking. Will Forrest visit the treasure site again? how often he already visited the site?

David Graham​ Volume is low

Allen K
Thanks for being awesome, and have fun in Denver!

Eric Schmidt ​Inna – Forrest has claimed he has not gone back to the site

Eric Schmidt​ So … we shouldn’t believe anything in TFTW?

Josh Walley​ AGK

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Jimmy Fast ​No notifications

Edward Owen ​i got notifacation
lolz A a was hidden by Jimmy Fast.

Eric Schmidt​ no notification

Chad Bird​ they gotta click the little bell to get notified! remind everyone to sub and hit the bell too!

Tl Mattes​ yeah, way better

Jimmy Fast​ Volume is great now

Eric Schmidt ​Much better!!

Drew ​Forrest said to read the blogs for entertainment, and the poem like you were going to put an X on a map- any coincidence the only letter missing from the poem is an X ?

Chad Bird ​happy bday btw! second thought, why is Del always way out in an area that is dangerous?

Josh Walley​ AGK: hey guys love the show. Are there any references by Fenn of using GPS when hiding or after hiding the treasure?

Man In The Barn​ Do you think when FF said where you find my bones you will find the treasure. Do you think he meant his bones that he dug up at the pueblo and hiding from the feds?

Jimmy Fast ​I didn’t have my bell on

steve remple​ AGK. You two make a great team, love watching. Personally how reliable do you think the blogs are out there. Seems to me a lot of fluff. Unrealistic opinions and some nonsense. How do you separate?

Chad Bird​agree!

Edward Owen ​I know this has been asked before but do you think Forrest would have been able to take a hike 2 times with treasure about 3/4 mile with 30 degree incline..at the age he said he was when hid it?

Chad Bird ​they only seem to be finding 🐻 terds

Eric Schmidt ​Everyone is inexperienced until they find the treasure!! 😃

Inna Yarm. one more question 😃 : does Fenn’s idea got some form of patent? can it be implemented in other countries?

Jaswinters ​AGK just got on here so you might of talked about it already .. It almost seems in his last clue statement on nightline.. simplify the poem its like something obvious none of us is seeing in the poem?

Jaswinters ​AGK………What about the fancy font like the “J’s” look like F’s in the poem –your feedback?

Tl Mattes ​I love this Vlog. I don’t comment much but I’m always nodding my head in agreement. It’s unnerving sometimes. Get out of my head Toby! Seriously, Happy Birthday

Kyle Lambert ​I recall reading somewhere that fenn was sort of a rule breaker, I havent got his book yet, but would you guys say that jives with the fenn you’ve met?

steve remple​ AGK Do you you think it’s possible F clue of 200′ is in elevation? He wouldn’t be misleading a searcher if they were 500′ away but 200′ in elevation. What do you think??

Wayne Peterson​ hello everyone

James Prival ​[message retracted]

James Prival​ James Prival​ Toby do you know anything about project Stargate, which operated on the findings of SRI (Stanford Research Institute)with remote viewing.Can this tool be used to help find the treasure?

Chad Bird ​where do warm waters halt in RR? if you don’t mind sharing? if you do no sweat

Nikolai Strov​ When do we simplify?

Jaswinters​ my impression of watching him in the interview .he is going to stop spotlighting this hunt because he feels not to blame for the deaths but just feels sad it happened and never expected that to happen

Edward Owen​ Toby Shelly, how do you treat treasure if found it, You dealing with “Park ranger” Land Management etc..ie the Government, without this becoming a legal nightmare, that might take years, decades?

Nikolai Strov ​Happy, happy birthday Toby annnd mannny morrre! 🎂🍰🥛😎🎉

Jaswinters​ AGK Why do you think he never included more of New Mexico?

Nikolai Strov ​Aren’t we all searching for this treasure?? All of us have been within 200ft

Spurious Effect​ Edward Owen. It is illegal to remove anything from Federal Land.

Edward Owen ​Then there are NOT many places you can hide this?

Nikolai Strov​ Only one!

Jimmy Fast​ @ spurious effect …But tarry scant with marvel gaze just take the chest and go in peace

Spurious Effect​ Edward Owen Forrest said that he won’t tell anyone where you found it if you don’t. So it could, and most likely is, on federal land.


Spurious Effect​ It has to be somewhere that will not be disturbed. The only place like that are Government owned Parks and Wilderness areas.

Nikolai Strov ​I will give it to someone who has never heard of FF and then I will disappear

Edward Owen​ Spurious Effect Thanks…

Chad Bird ​gotcha, thx keep it up!

Nikolai Strov ​Happy Birthday Toby! God bless you both! 🙏

steve remple ​good luck in Denver you two.

Jimmy Fast​ Turn the bell on!!!

Edward Owen ​Thanks

Wayne Peterson​ thanks

Eric Schmidt ​tHANKS GUYS!

Jimmy Fast ​Everyone touch your notifications bell to turn it on

Chad Bird ​peace out

“It’s in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe.” – Forrest Fenn, “The Thrill of the Chase,” 2010


We have often said that we take anything Fenn has said after December 31, 2012 as tactical offensive counterintelligence. Technically, that leaves us only the fundamentals with which to work: the contents of “The Thrill of the Chase,” and anything we learn about Fenn before that date.

In “The Thrill of the Chase,” referring to where he hid the treasure, Fenn writes:

“It’s in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe.”

Here’s a hypothetical for you to consider.

Let’s say your best friend in Santa Fe called to chat. You discuss a number of things, and one of them was that he was going camping, and doing a little trout fishing, the coming weekend.

When you ask him where he was going, he says, “In the mountains North of Santa Fe.” You tell him you wished you were going with him, and eventually, you end the call.

The following week, you receive a call from your best friend’s spouse. She tells you that he hadn’t yet returned from his weekend outing, and that emergency responders were about to begin a search for him.

She tells you she needs your help, then she asks whether or not he had mentioned to you where he was going camping.

You respond by saying, “He told me he was headed into the mountains somewhere North of Santa Fe.”

She thanks you, and before she ends the call, you hear her shout to the emergency responders who are about to depart, “Look for him in Colorado, Wyoming or Montana!”

Yeah. Crazy, huh?


Forrest Fenn, ABC Nightline, “Deadly Treasure” | 01.12.18

Nightline Segment Teaser: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/multi-millionaire-hid-treasure-found-clues-52315572

Nightline Segment Article, with video: http://abcnews.go.com/US/people-continue-seek-reported-hidden-treasure-rocky-mountains/story?id=51766060

“Catcher in the Rye,” Fenn & and The Denver Museum of Nature and Science

In “The Thrill of the Chase,” referring to the J. D. Salinger classic, “A Catcher in the Rye,” Fenn writes,

The more I thought about it the more I realized the book was about me, and I couldn’t believe it.  How would anyone imagine a coincidence like that could happen?

I hadn’t read the Salinger book since high school, so I thought I’d refresh my memory of it. It’s a short book, and not necessarily an easy read. Salinger wrote it in an idiom that was familiar to, and comfortable for, him. But, the use of a colloquial language makes it hard to read – for me, at least.

Nonetheless, as I made my way through the book in which Salinger uses the Manhattan as a character in the novel, he mentions he, more than once, visited the New York Museum of Natural History, iconic not only in New York, but in the United States.

Salinger writes,

I loved that damn museum. I remember you had to go through the Indian Room to get to the auditorium. It was a long, long room, and you were only supposed to whisper. The teacher would go first, then the class. You’d be two rows of kids, and you’d have a partner. Most of the time my partner was this girl named Gertrude Levine. She always wanted to hold your hand, and her hand was always sticky or sweaty or something. The floor was all stone, and if you had some marbles in your hand and you dropped them, they bounced like madmen all over the floor and made a helluva racket, and the teacher would hold up the class and go back and see what the hell was going on. She never got sore, though, Miss Aigletinger. Then you’d pass by this long, long Indian war canoe, about as long as three goddam Cadillacs in a row, with about twenty Indians in it, some of them paddling, some of them just standing around looking tough, and they all had war paint all over their faces. There was one very spooky guy in the back of the canoe, with a mask on. He was the witch doctor. He gave me the creeps, but I liked him anyway. Another thing, if you touched one of the paddles or anything while you were passing, one of the guards would say to you, “Don’t touch anything, children,” but he always said it in a nice voice, not like a goddam cop or anything.

I found the imagery he mentions in this single passage interesting because we find some of that same imagery in Fenn’s book. Marbles, schoolchildren, warnings not to touch.

Fenn, perhaps borrowing some of Salinger’s imagery, puts them, in my opinion, to much better use.

I wonder if there’s an “Indian Room” in the Denver Museum of Nature and Science?

Shelley and I will find out next week.

What if Forrest Fenn had died on November 25, 2010? Live Stream with Q&A

Live Chat

Man In The Barn​Hello Toby and Shelley

A J Rainville​Might want to turn on the super chat button (or i just don’t see it)

Man In The Barn​Looks like $ next to the smiley

Man In The Barn​under the chat line

A J Rainville​My bad

jaswinters​i never would of saw the beautiful new mexico and all its treasures.. hint hint.. lol

Joey Pero​Hey guys! Thank you for giving so much to the thrill of the chase!

jaswinters​AGK Did orginally forrest say it was only in north of Santa fe and not mentioned anything of the rocky mountains?

Matt​hello AGK, came in 20 minutes late. did you cover if Fenn had the book written, to be published like salingers books in a vault?

Joey Pero​Bring your winter wear!

James Jones​No

Sevenblade​AGK: Even though your solve is in New Mexico, are you guys still going to do “some” searching when you go to Denver?

Joey Pero​Exactly Toby!

Jimmy Fast​entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, which translates to: entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.

Sevenblade​Wow, really weird… just searched the Latin phrase… I strangely found out about Ockham last week in a tv show… I somehow spoke to me so I googled it back then.

Man In The Barn​I think the book and the Poem will get you to the exact location. I highly doubt it would have “taken off” like it has.

Man In The Barn​But I disagree with your thoughts on TFTW. While we would not ahem the book the scrapbooks were on OldSantaFeTrading Co.com which I also think provide the “real” treasure map

Man In The Barn​Was the website up at that time?

James Kruse​Late but here:)

Amy Comeaux​AGK : I have a bit of a strange maybe silly question, but because of Fenn’s love of Indiana Jones, do you think he may have booby trapped the chest in any way?

Man In The Barn​AGK: Do you think when Forrest said when you find my bones where you find the tresure he meant his bones he dug up as the Publo and hid from the Fed’s?

Amy Comeaux​Thanks, love u guys, keep up the good work

jaswinters​Thats why i think its not in a state with Grizzlies around

Edna Purviance​TTOTC and the poem is all you need, but you need to analyze what he talks about in TTOTC. He says no special knowledge. He is not telling us all of the truth! Observation is very important.

Sevenblade​Massive lag, though. Besides, Youtube did do an anouncement that ‘notifications were being delayed’ on their TeamYoutube Twitter handle.

Edna Purviance​Great Vlog today!


What if Fenn Had Died a Month After Releasing TTotC?

My apologies if the title is offensive to anyone, especially Fenn. It is purely hypothetical, and my wish for Fenn is that he lives a long and fruitful life filled with family and friends.

But, in a conversation with another searcher today, as the searcher presented some of the assumptions they were making about their solution, I asked them to consider the following:

“What if Forrest Fenn had died a month after releasing his book, ‘The Thrill of the Chase’?”

It stopped them for just a moment. So I continued.

“‘Too Far to Walk’ and ‘Once Upon a While’ would not have been published. The videos recorded at Collected Works and Moby Dickens would have not been recorded. We wouldn’t have the myriad of video-recorded and/or written and published ‘Forrest Fenn Interviews’. There would be no Benchmark Map of the four Rocky Mountain treasure states. No scrapbooks. No Dal interview videos. No Fennborees at which Fenn was in attendance.”

No nothing.

Except “The Thrill of the Chase,” the poem, the description (and photo) of the treasure – and the promise of a great adventure.

Fenn, certainly, had to consider the possibility.

So, think about it for a second. What if Fenn…

Edit: Well, who knew this was that interesting a topic? We didn’t. But indications are that it’s worth a discussion. So, we’re going to delay the presentation of our English 201 analysis of the poem a week. This week we’ll use our weekly live stream to discuss the above topic, followed by open Q&A. 1pm MST, Tuesday, January 9, 2018. You must have a YouTube account to ask questions. Watch here: https://www.youtube.com/c/agypsyskiss/live

The Riddle in Fenn’s Poem – Live Stream with Q&A

Shelley and Toby discuss the way in which you can use the riddle in Fenn’s Poem to help you develop your solution with confidence. You can review the chat from the live stream below the video.

Here’s a link to download the research paper we used to prepare this episode: Write a Riddle

Chat from the Live Stream

A Gypsy’s Kiss​Hello and welcome! Happy New Year! Thanks for joining us today. To address us, please use AGK: at the beginning of your questions.

Man In The Barn​Hey Toby and Shelly, MOD is here

Matt Hawrysko​Hello from Ohio!

Adam Foddy​Hi Shelley and Toby. I missed you guys! 🙂

Joel Lewicki​AGK: Happy New Year!

AJ 21​Happy New year!


Edward Owen​Happy New Year

Steve Gaghagen​hi Shelley and Toby happy New Year

Steve Gaghagen​thanks guys (moderators)

Will William​Hi Toby and Shelley ! Happy new year

Edward Owen​When will FF NightLine Interview be? Do you think Forrest will talk about Treasure in that interview?

Mary Green​AGK will you do video of inside the museum

Eric Schmidt​Happy New Years!

Eric Schmidt​Mary Green – I sure hope they do!

B Cross​AGK: Greetings and Happy New Year

Andrew West​First time catching one of these live. Keep up the good work

Ron Leak​What is significance of the ‘keyword’ of the poem what did FF say about it?

Mary Green​AKG Ron Leak,​says What is significance of the ‘keyword’ of the poem what did FF say about it?

Mary Green​Ron Leak didnt want AGK to miss your Q

Mary Green​AGK this is one of your best vlogs, so interesting my brain is blowing up with ideas

Steve Gaghagen​agk your depth into the treasure is unmatched. have you ever thought about going on other treasure hunts like the lost mine in the guadolupe mountains

Edward Owen​Shelly could you repeat the Different writing tools/ideas you mentioned earlier. Thanks

Clayton Watson​Hello Toby and Shelley!

Bjchamblee​Good work guys! Happy 18¡

Ronald Conley​AGK: As I have gone in there this past season and intend to go again in spring, I repeat, do you think the sun ever shines on the treasure?

Joel Lewicki​AGK: Have you had a chance to look at the “end of the rainbow” in the first edition of the book “Flywater”? If so, any thoughts?

Ramblin Pam​Happy New Year Toby and Shelley. Always enjoy your videos.

Jimmy Fast​AGK Is the Denver museum where Shilo said ” you really should see what’s in the basement”? and then Forrest quickly changed the subject🤔

Eric Schmidt​AGK: As a follow up to Jimmy Fast’s question… what are your thoughts about Dr. HM Wormington?

Allen Grosh​this is so intriguing to me, just found out about the poem and treasure a few days ago, and I’ve been binge watching your vids!! you guys both have lovely voices to listen to.

Ron Leak​Thank you Mary Green

Allen Grosh​​f has said that a child may have an advantage in solving the poem. Do you think you may be reading too much into it? In my opinion the initial WWWM is the most important clue, and the most vague.

Andrew West​AGK, have you guys explored the Colorado National Monument area?

Kyle Lambert​agk have you guys seen the last email I sent you a while back with the imagery from the poem on a map?

Timothy Alkire​AGK, TOBY & SHELLY HOW Do you test your key word?

steve remple​AGK, you have discussed the poem and clues relating to having longevity. Do think it’s possible that they do not have the shelf we believe they do. Hence the treasure being there 1000 years from now.

kevnston​Hello from Richmond Virginia

Eric Schmidt​Dr. HM Wormington’s research on the Folsom points is what put the Denver Museum on the map.

Allen Grosh​thank you for responding!

Eric Schmidt​😃

Andrew West​AGK, you skipped my question Shelley. Have you guys considered the Colorado National Monument?

Richard Hunter​Fenn didn’t say “keyword.”

Timothy Alkire​AGK SHELLEY, YOU are correct. ff said that imagination will be what finds the TC.

Andrew West​AGK, where can you plug in a keyword as a cipher to the poem?

Mary Green​a word that is key, wonder what the word thats key points to any ideas

home on the range​”marvel gaze” and “worth the cold” sill baffle me.

merwin horner​does any one know where ff have his chemo.

Clayton Watson​Mary Green, I am only offering speculation but in my solve it is the hint that narrows down the many WWWH to the one you need to use.

Mary Green​home on the range, me too

Kyle Lambert​home on the range, those come after hear me all and listen good. could it mean sounds similar? maybe Buena Vista, and mount sneffles region?

Jim Little​word that is key is ringboe

Mary Green​Clayton Watson wow have you checked that out

Steve Gaghagen​thank you guys great work as always. see you next week. cold here in Nebraska

Edward Owen​Thanks for a great year I went 3 times

David Charles Davio22​I have found the key word. it varifies you have the solve to poem

Andrew West​Congrats David

David Charles Davio22​Page 15 is something that needs to talk about IT is THE BOLD.

Mary Green​see you next week thanks

David Charles Davio22​I found the BLAZE
David Charles Davio22 was timed out by Jimmy Fast for 300 seconds.

Might and Marvel​when is the nightline interview…?