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The Preface in Forrest Fenn’s Thrill of the Chase

Live Chat

A Gypsy’s Kiss​The Forrest Fenn Memoirs Book Club starts at 1 pm MST.

Ashley Bergstrom​Hello!

Cindy Guess​Hello!

Man In The Barn​Hey Toby And Shelley!

Jimmy Fast​Hi

Rick Plank​Hello from Cincinnati

Eric Schmidt​Greetings

Adam Foddy​Hey guys. I’m looking forward to this

David Dow​Hello


Clayton Watson​Hello Hello

Tom K​First book club for me. Here we go!!

Mary Green​AGK got a beer and snake

Matt​careful with drinking and streaming

AJ 21​Hello 👋🏽

Laurie James​Hola

Eric Schmidt​AGK: Hey it’s not 5pm yet…!

Mary Green​whoops snack

Beth Weathers​Hi. 👋🏼

Mary Green​plumb wine good stuff

Paul McGinty​Hello

Katie Mader​hey guys!!!!

Mary Green​5pm yet.?

Man In The Barn​it’s 5 O’Clock somewhere

Eric Schmidt​AGK: An initial or drop cap is a letter at the beginning of a word, a chapter, or a paragraph that is larger than the rest of the text.

Jimmy Fast​Volume clipped again

Eric Schmidt​I heard that too

Sandy Wolf​hello finally caught you live love you too big fan

Chris Derbidge​Hello everyone

Matt​AGK, Fenn has so many borrowed lined and mixed these lines up, wouldnt that indicate he wanted these other peoples words on purpose?

amy smith​hello!!


Dale Richards​Hi!

Sandy Wolf​Smash that like button!!!!

Dale Richards​In the 70’s jokers were played all the time when camping with friends and family.

amy smith​God made life a gamble and we’re still in the game

Mary Green​AGK drop caps

Eric Schmidt​Jim Reeves: youtube dot com forward slash watch?v=-92jds3b_UE

David Olson​jim reeves plane crash

Sandy Wolf​youth is wasted on the young

amy smith​if you don’t struggle with your identity your whole life, then you’re dead

fossilman123​hello all, did i miss much?

kinsol​Does Forrest believe in reincarnation?

Dale Richards​Jack Higgins in The Eagle Has Landed, “I realized fear one morning, with the blare of the fox hunter’s sound. When they’re all chasin’ the poor bloody fox, ’tis safer to be dressed like the hound. ”

Mary Green​AGK always thought Fenn thought of Sloane as maybe grandfather

amy smith​Let’s get Tobey more drunk so he’ll tell more secrets!

B Cross​Welcome. a little late.

David Olson​”I wish I could be clever like that.”

fossilman123​lol@amy smith

amy smith​hmmm the delta huh?

Mary Green​Dale Richards, great to know i remember the movie but not the line

B Cross

Sandy Wolf​that was a good movie

Mary Green​AGK good points shelly about the fox and hound

Denise Bagley​Except that he said “two”people can keep a secret if one is dead. Who is the “one” who is dead?

AJ 21​AGK The front cover does it have any hints or value in your eyes?

Susan Heckenliable​I think the one who is dead is Olga

Tom K​Is it possible that Eric Sloane was actually the person that introduced Forrest to his special place?

Denise Bagley​Susan, it’s interesting that most people discount his quote about the “one” who is dead.

Asset Marketing​call an Uber for a ride home Toby

Man In The Barn​Kacir = The one who is dead

Dan Kirk​Since Forrest mentions embellishment in TOTC, how much do you think he embellishes in the poem and how much imagination do you think is required to solve the clues?

Joey Pero​AGK hi! Sorry I’m late!

Denise Bagley​I wouldn’t discount anything Forrest says. It’s all important.

Susan Heckenliable​I don’t discount anything he says over and over like the two can keep a secret quote

Sandy Wolf​[message retracted]

Matt​AGK, any thoughtd as to why Fenn changed how Sloane died? I dont see how changing it would be embellishing or need to change.

Ashley Bergstrom​AGK: Page 4, paragraph 1… Forrest admits he embellishes… Do you guess the clues could be “embellished” or should we be able to see the logic in the nine clues? — why the poem is difficult?

Joey Pero​Kacir = okay sir?

jeepgirljody​Watching while I’m working – the notification worked!

Cmonkeyification​AGK: When doing research on Sloane, I believe I came across that he was married more times than what Forrest stated in the book. Is this correct and/or relevant?

Dale Richards​AGK: Fox hunts are outlawed in the UK, but they have been continued under the disguise trail hunts in the Lake District through the National Trust Charity

Adam Foddy​8.49pm. How many empty bottles do you have in your kitchen? 😂 Shelley is definitely more giggly today 🤣

Denise Bagley​AGK, everything he says is a clue.

Joey Pero​“My church is in the mountains”

amy smith​You can be spiritual vs. religious

phil​What part of FEnn do you think wrote the poem? Pilot, author, explorer, anthropologist etc…how would this frame the clues…flight plan, foot path etc…

Denise Bagley​AGK, thanks for the book club. This is fun.

Renee Slarve​Hello and thank you for your vlog. Can the Treasure been seen during winter (snow) months.

Richard Hunter​[message retracted]

Michael koen​I will give you 2 clues from the book that I have found, RR tracks 1/2 mile south of his home and fire circle that the 5 or 6 girls danced around

Sandy Wolf​thank you for your service

jeepgirljody​AGK Do you guys think Forrests whats to know who and how the chest was found in his lifetime? Or do you think he is over it and is fine if no one finds it for 100 years?

Eric Schmidt​Michael Koen – how are those clues?

Richard Hunter​[message retracted]

Michael koen​they are an actual place about 1 mile apart

Michael koen​the cemetary he mentions is right with the fire circle

Man In The Barn​IRT the fox and hound line… keeping with the “think simple” mindset. It makes since to me that it means when your on the hunt, dress/act like the people around the treasure as to not draw attention

Ashley Bergstrom​AGK: Forrest says his mind “stays 13″… since I follow your vlog I am aware of the locations you feel fit WWWH, however, have you ever thought about the special place relating to his youth?

RedneckExpress​AGK: What do you think about some kind of hint on the cover of TTOTC?

Denise Bagley​AGK, imagination is huge! To figure out his poem.

Matt​remember, the two people secret, is a lifted quote used as his own

Tom K​Sloane suffered heart attack while holding onto a parking meter according to Wiki

Bryan Eagle​It was only a few days after his birthday and Forrest said 2 weeks

amy smith​he died waiting on the light to turn green……right?

Michael koen​the street corner in manhatten is also a major clue

Dale Richards​AGK: Forrest claims he is an environmentalist more than most. I’m making note of that statement. Do you think it may be relevant?

Denise Bagley​AGK, he says to ask kids, this is why imagination is important. I had this as a comment and I think it was erased.

Eric Schmidt​AGK: He died from a heart attack while walking down the street to a luncheon held in his honor. The luncheon celebration marked the publication of his memoir, Eighty: An American Souvenir (wikipedia)

amy smith​celebrities get married 5-6 times……

Matt​sloane died from a heart attack walking down the street, to a luncheon in his honor, vs waiting on a street corner waiting for a light

Susan Heckenliable​Matt I think the quote was two “men” can keep a secret and he always says “people” makes me think about Olga’s ashes location

Denise Bagley​AKG, my last comment wasn’t erased my mistake .

B Cross​Great Program

Matt​similar, but different to stand out

Ashley Bergstrom​AGK: describe what you think Forrest finds as peaceful… (ie. fishing, finding arrowheads!?)…

B Cross​The wine is a hit (at least for me!

Matt​susan, its from Ben Franklin, 3ppl can keep a secret if 2 are dead.

Mary Green​AGK,wonder when it was changed to,two people Three may keep a Secret, if two of them are dead.Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard’s Almanack (1735).

Beth Weathers​Have you thought about discussing the inside cover in a book club?

Cmonkeyification​AGK: “Dreams and Fantasies”. Interpretation?

Denise Bagley​[message retracted]

phil​AGK: The preface mentions river bottoms are where dreams and fantasies go to play. Does this tie into Captain Kidd?

Michael koen​Out west a 2 track road is a dirt road is rr tracks

Joey Pero​@AGK in this first section he seems to make a deal out of meadowlarks – I believe he is referring to Western Meadowlarks. He brings this back throughout the book.

phil​Tequila > Wine

Michael koen​4 meadowlarks actually means 4 of something else

amy smith​mountains and the river bottoms, dreams and fantasies are a huge hint

MagneticUniverse​Forrest may be hinting at a belief in reincarnation when he says, “…if any readers over the age of twelve don’t see a little of themselves in THIS MIRROR, then maybe they deserve another turn.”

Eric Schmidt​AGK: the dreams and fantasies comment for a long time made me think the treasure was on a river bottom… until he said it wasn’t under water.

steve remple​AGK Forrest talks with great admiration of Eric and his Dad in the preface. Do you think there is a clue in the fact he doesn’t mention his fathers name until the end of the book??

David Olson​What do you make of the juxtaposition of Forrests image of himself and his wife installing a sky light In the bathroom that draws attention to his aging body.

Michael koen​his burial location is hint of a location for a clue

amy smith​Agent Tequila is smoking hot!

Denise Bagley​[message retracted]

Michael koen​it’s four meadows not meadowlarks

Joel Lewicki​AGK: A river bottom, is not the bottom of a river, it is the low-lying areas next to river! The TC could be in a river bottom, and NOT be under water.

Paul Ammons​Shelley, I agree with your take on dressing like a Hound..Thank you, At odds with life can be a “Lonely” place.

AJ 21​Should do a book giveaway 😁

Matt​add Fenn thought of “who knows how long he might have lived”… if not for light. if he died while walking vs halting?

Michael koen​I also found a 18 inch rusty pipe overlooking this vally

David Dow​AGK Do you think he was close to his mother? No where near as much about her in TTOTC.

JanKirb​agk Ever wonder why it is “Thrill of the chase” and not “Thrill of the hunt”? After all the treasure is not moving so there is nothing to chase in the normal sense of the word.

B Cross
Did Forrest ever mention he went to one of the “healing springs” in N M when he had cancer? Can address in other session if more appropriate.

Asset Marketing​.I have read or remember a reference to a hat FF had or someone he knew and the nickname was Brown…could this be a lost item or placed item that is now “The Home of Brown”…?

Denise Bagley​AGK, what do you think of his “church “ being the “riches” in his poem?

Nikolai Strov​Would an underage finder be exempt from taxes?

Matt​no, parents would have to claim it, on theirs, to prevent tax naughtyness

Nikolai Strov​Ok 🙂

Denise Bagley​AKG, look up the definition of “riches” it’s remarkable,

Eric Schmidt​thank you!!

B Cross​Fantastic show!

Tom K​Great meeting, guys!

Jimmy Fast​😀

David Dow​Great show

Mary Green​AGK book club show was great thanks

Tl Mattes​Woot, success! Thanks Everyone!

AJ 21​👏🏽

Paul Ammons​👍

Brian Poeppelman​👍

Nikolai Strov​Good luck everyone! Be safe and see you all next time 🙏

Adam Foddy​Bye guys!

steve remple​Toby you’re cut off

Paul McGinty​Thank you ,enjoyed the Book Club

A Gypsy’s Kiss
Say something… (slow mode is on)


Forrest Fenn Memoir Book Club – Thursday, 1pm MST

Shelley and Toby will be discussing the Preface in Fenn’s first memoir, “The Thrill of the Chase.” Live stream with Q&A. Join us!

We Discuss Lorene Mills Interview w/ Forrest Fenn | Live Stream Followed by Q&A

Live Chat

fossilman123​im here

A Gypsy’s Kiss​😃

Clayton Watson​Hello Hello

Jimmy Fast​Hello

Rick Plank​Hello from Cincinnati

Allen K​Hello AGK! Looking and sounding good!

Wayne Peterson​hey all NuggetBrain Wayne here

B Cross​Hello all

David Charles Davio22​Like hat you all are doing lately. Much Love

Ashley Bergstrom​Hello!

Paul McGinty​hello all

fossilman123​howdy all

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

David Charles Davio22​Davio audio. Sounds good.

Edward Owen​sup

Cmonkeyification​Aww, new book smell. Mmm…

David Charles Davio22​New book smell. lol

Laura Doise​watch all the time!!

Andrew West​AGK Third time catching you live!! Spread the good word Toby

Andrew West​AGK, didn’t you guys already post this Video? Didn’t it originally have the New Mexico arts intro NMEA?

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Steve Gaghagen​AGK searcher was Marc Howard

Jimmy Fast​Keep it mint in box for the most Money

Cmonkeyification​AGK: When you inform the media, tell us where it was located!!!

Eric Schmidt​AGK: when you anonymously have it auctioned at Southbys won’t they the IRS tax you? (even though the auction price will be higher the government will take their share)

Cmonkeyification​AGK: or at least where warm waters halt

Eric Schmidt​Cmonkeyification – they have said they will never reveal where it was found if they find it

Jimmy Fast​There is no upside to revealing where it was found….tell no one!

Eric Schmidt​Jimmy – exactly!

Andrew West​AGK, where is the superchat button/link?

Eric Schmidt​Toby – check your thermostat..

David Dow​AGK: have you listened to the interview 10/25/2010? It’s about 20 minutes long.

Block​Can treasure be hidden in Santa Fe mountains ?

John Wood​it would be extremely difficult for me to part with any of the treasure if I find it.

Journeyman​I would say “I left 20-50 gold coins for 2nd place and good luck!”

James Kruse​Howdy

Jimmy Fast​@journeyman you will lose a lot of value if you break up the treasure

walters1134​the value is in the chase not the gold

Journeyman​It’s not about more value than I will already have gotten.

Joey Pero​Yes yes yes!

David Charles Davio22​I am sure there are two 1933 Double eagle coins. That would make world News.

Edward Owen​why 1993 are they valuable?

John Wood​Hopefully I can make enough sales from the autobiography that I can keep all the treasure.

Joey Pero​@AGK we should count the chapters *hint hint*

Edward Owen​David sorry 1933

Paul McGinty​8pm UK Time

Andrew West​How many joey?

David Charles Davio22​Page 4. First letter A alpha,

Eric Schmidt​Although 445,500 specimens of this Saint-Gaudens double eagle were minted in 1933, none were ever officially circulated and all but two were ordered melted down.

Paul McGinty​I’m watching from UK.

Edward Owen​Thanks

Eric Schmidt​NP

David Charles Davio22​Look up 1933 double. No one knows how many there are out there. But FOREST the great collector.

Bill Gorman​You’ll find many of his bottle caps in his special place which means you’ll need a metal detector.

Edward Owen​Thanks

An Average Person​AGK – did you notice at 7:24 min’s, she wants to discuss the treasure and starts with “so you buried the treasure…” and doesn’t get corrected.

Joey Pero​Hello AGK!

Liam O’Neil​An average person, she corrected herself right after saying that

Joel Lewicki​AGK: Hey!

Joel Lewicki​on twitter, “agypsyskisstv” and “agypsyskisslive” appear to both be available (FYI)

An Average Person​Liam… hummm… let me go look again, thanks.

Clayton Watson​🏔🏔🏔🏔

Steve Gaghagen​AGK how many differences are there between the different editions? could there be more hints in the first edition?

Andrew West​I am on my phone. I don’t see emojis or $

Jimmy Fast​No super chat on my iPhone 7+

Paul Ammons​got it👍

David Charles Davio22​Fenn the great collector 1933 Double eagle Thats how he will know it was found.

Stephen Johns​Hi AGK from Canada.

David Charles Davio22​Have seen you the video 2010 AT the CODY mussium

Joey Pero​Hahahhaha my pleasure ! Keeping it honest !

Cmonkeyification​[message retracted]

Cindy Guess​Mary-Charlotte Radio Cafe

Joey Pero​Start with the first post mark @agk

Timothy Alkire​why would ff say “Occasionally it’s wise for the fox to dress like the hound” if he hid it on Public land.

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Adam Foddy​Hey Toby and Shelley! Hope you are both well

Block​Is the Santa Fe ski basin within the search area ?

Heather Guillen​Have you guys considered that the clues may not start in the 4 states that are represented? The treasure may be in those states but not the first few clues?

Paul Ammons​Do the nine clues and locations to those clues land within the boundaries of the TFTW Map”

Joel Lewicki​AGK: on Twitter

David Charles Davio22​THE Buffalo bill center interviews 2010.

MR G​AGK-Do you really believe that somebody has been within 200 ft or 500 ft from the treasure?

David Charles Davio22​McCracken Research Library has interveiws 2010

Timothy Alkire​I forgot to put AGK. on my question, darn it…

Chuck Denny​Hello from Charlotte, NC!

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

David Charles Davio22​AGK so new at this. McCracken Research Library is

Edward Owen​AGk do you have to reveal to anyone (IRS etc )where you found treasure….Thx

Block​[message retracted]

Liam O’Neil​I do, but what did fenn mean by searchers? Everyone is searching for something so anybody could have been within 500-200 ft

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Cmonkeyification​David Charles Davio22 where are the videos located?

David Charles Davio22​AGK McCracken Research Library is the Buffalow bill mussium. . He was interveiwed, 2010. at the time he went out to bury it.

Block​AGK thank you for answering my question !! God bless .

Rick Plank​@AGK: Do you know if FF owns any other land?

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Cmonkeyification​David Charles Davio22 Where can you find the inteview? Is it on their website?

Andrew West​AGK I solved the problem of public private land. Forrest “lost” this chest. All you have to do is return it and give me back my bracelet, and it’s yours.

Steve Gaghagen​AGK as for the new Mexico parks regulations for warm waters are more of them located north of Santa Fe or south of Santa Fe?

Stephen Johns​AGK Forrest once referred to a adding a hundred thousand dollar cheque as the way of telling if the treasure was found. Now he can’t remember if he did it. Your thoughts. Thanks

David Charles Davio22​AGK . Do you find it interesting that the book just Starts on page 4, and the first Letter is A… Alpha, page 6 W omega.? your thoughts ?

Eric Schmidt​Andrew WEst – that works only if FOrrest is still alive..

Cmonkeyification​AGK: Couldn’t Forrest just leave a legal title transfer document within the chest for the finder?

Andrew West​Eric he isn’t the only one who knows the location. If will be passed on with his estate

Journeyman​AGK I have looked at New Mexico fishing regs. Can you explain the in detail warm waters?

AJ 21​Do think WWWH could be a glacier ?

Edward Owen​AGK could you please explain why you beleive FF was closer to 70 verses 80? Thanks guys…

Paul Ammons​AKA I don’t believe I would keep a secret with FF…Lol

Heather Guillen​AGK Do either of you know how Fenn came into ownership of San Lazarus pueblo? I want to know if he bought the land knowing it was on the property and planned to excavate it or if it was a coincidence?

James Kruse​Agk: do you think the TC is bare, or did fenn protect the box somehow, which might allow it to be hiding it in plain sight?

Steve Gaghagen​thanks Toby and Shelley great show and great content!

MR G​AGK-I know you guys believe that Forrest hid the treasure before 2009-2010. Didn’t the FBI supposedly see the chest in his house around 2009-2010?

phil​The chest can’t be anywhere too hot or the wax on the jar would melt, besides river bottoms, where else could work?

Clayton Watson​Phil, micro crystalline wax has a melting point of 145-200 degrees depending on type.

Andrew West​AGK Shelley, you always skip my comments 😡

phil​@Clayton Watson roger that

Jimmy Fast​Hit the super chat button Andrew

David Charles Davio22​AGK Interesting that : Title to the gold IS: 79 on the Periodic table.

Andrew West​Haha jimmy. There is no superchat button. You know that

Clayton Watson​Also @phil, Fenn was more worried about it cracking from the cold so he heated the wax until it was smoking (to get the lowest viscosity) so that it more deeply penetrate the threads on the olive jar.

Paul Ammons​AGK if there is dust how can it be wet?

Cain Holshouser​AGK: What could the blaze be that no person could easily remove, something small or large? Paint? What are your ideas for what the blaze could be?

Alexander Koch​how do you think FF would react in case someone would email him an correct solution to the poem? Do you think he would get cold feet and therefore retreat from the chase to avoid that it is found?

Joey Pero​@AGK what is the strangest “anomaly” have you discovered within TTOTC memoir?

Eric Schmidt​Anyone want to see a picture of the chest in the vault?

Paul McGinty​AGK What type of car/truck did Forest drive around at the time he hid the treasure

Clayton Watson​AGK: Regarding the hide date, wouldn’t you have to take Fenn at his word similar to how you said you have to believe it when he talks about searchers being within 200/500 feet??

jaswinters​yes eric

Heather Guillen​AGK In a podcast interview between FF and Isaac Cole they are referencing to fishing areas in Yellowstone/W.Yellowstone and FF states he hasn’t been “up there since 1950” what do you think about this?

Eric Schmidt​Scrapbook 14 on Neitzel’s site

Eric Schmidt​Just to the left of his right elbow on the shelf

Joey Pero​@AGK haha yes 200-500 feet up or down?!?

Clayton Watson​I meant wouldn’t you have to believe FF buried it in 2009/2010

Joey Pero​@Eric Schmidt thank you for sharing. SB 14 is old news.

Clayton Watson​or “hid” however you want to describe it

Paul Ammons​AGK being that Fenn was a large Outdoorsman and love to fish why is there little talk about the Pecos wilderness in his writings. I lived in Cowles for 6 years.

Jon Koop​😎

jaswinters​Message deleted by Jimmy Fast.View deleted message

David Charles Davio22​AGK: Title to the gold on the Periodic table is 79.

Edward Owen​Thanks Guys…

dpete82​AGK: He mentions that he left typos in the book on purpose during one of the interviews

Cindy Guess​Thanks!!! See ya Thursday!

Joey Pero​^——yes @AGK thank you!

Joel Lewicki​AGK: Thank you!

James Kruse​Thanks guys

Edward Owen​Im heading out again in spring on my 4th…search

David Charles Davio22​Thank you..

Laurie James​TY

Eric Schmidt​TY

Journeyman​Thanks guys

Paul Ammons​👍💫👍