Toby Younis explains why the team of he and partners, Shelley Carney and Kevin Carney will NOT search for the Forrest Fenn treasure in Yellowstone Park, any other National Park, or any other asset administered in the National Park System.
Toby Younis explains why the team of he and partners, Shelley Carney and Kevin Carney will NOT search for the Forrest Fenn treasure in Yellowstone Park, any other National Park, or any other asset administered in the National Park System.
Shelley Carney and Toby Younis discuss Forrest Fenn’s treasure poem in the context of the field of surveying, with references to Richard Saunier’s Blog, “Mountain Walk.”
Shelley and Toby discuss Drone rules, regulations, guidelines, registration and insurance! Fly smart and safe. Toby will unbox his new DJI end of the program.
Shelley and Toby talk about their experiences as they transition from online research to BOTG. Toby has been on 27 recons in the four treasure states. Shelley was with him on all the recons in 2017 in New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming.
Sean Malloy?@Dale Richards? I think that comment was blatant tongue in cheek
Laurie James?have to? leave for appt. Watch later. Thanks for the tips.
Bill Gorman?At my treasure finding? banquette, Crow will be served!
David Dow?@AGK: Do you think that he could have instructions in the chest how to find a secondary treasure. That one he is watching. Thus, he will know that the? chest has been found.
Jon Polasek?@AGK: Do you know what kind of vehicles Fenn has driven in the past? 10+ years?
Dale Richards?Maybe Sean, or? maybe bike = motorcycle.
Black Water87?helicopter s?
Mark Payne?Hi from? Oklahoma
J C?David Charles what? state is your blaze?
Bill Gorman?Red Riding? Hood was Meek
Timothy Alkire?Jon.? FF has been driving a 4×4 Jeep Grand Cherokee
Joey Pero?AGK I’ve been following the treasure hunt since 13′ or 14′. I’m planning a trip with my dad for our first BOTG (and? a cool vacation).
Cindy Guess?AGK:? Have you changed your mind about Rev Tolby?
AGK: What is your best knowledge? and solutions of the clue JHLAWH
Paul McGinty?AGK? hahaha
Paul Ammons?Water? table???
phil?AGK: How are you? incorporating traveling through space and circumstance in your solution?
Bill Gorman?A lake and ski lifts?
Dale Richards?@AGK: What geological papers have you read defining “warm water”? or “warm waters”? I read one last week defining all deep lakes and deep rivers as Warm Water and shallow streams & draws as cold water.
kinsol?AGK: Does the Cimarron River? WWWH solution not necessarily involve a dam (Eagle Nest Lake/Dam) as the start beginning of the ‘Warm Waters’ even if it isn’t the location of WWWH? Fenn has said no dam.
Ryan Lowe?@AGK: What led you to move away from the western interior seaway being wwwh and focusing on New Mexico fishing regulations? instead?
Timothy Alkire?AGK. Heavy Loads and water? high also goes into a Cistern. (large storage Tank or Tanks)
MR G?AGK-What do you think the lines “Your effort will be worth the? cold” and “If you are brave and in the wood” mean?
Seannm Seannm?@MR G: look up? cold cognition.
Dale Richards?@AGK: Have your searches lead you to any locations that you connected? with personally? Maybe a place or places you want to return to, not looking for the treasure?
akash gabriel?Brave nd in? the wood, i give u title to the gold
Jason Kemeny?is the 8.5 miles? north of santa fe something that should be taken as fact?
Timothy Alkire?mr.G.? you have to had found the TC to answer that
Dan Kirk?AGK:? What were your Warm Waters Halt locations when searching in states north of New Mexico?
Eric Schmidt?AGK – nothing? personal, just an observation..
T. Lee Jones?Hello From Baltimore, MD?
Dale Richards?AGK: Why do not look in National Parks or Monuments? Legal problems are likely no matter where he put it. You already said you will take and not tell, so why limit? your search?
Belva Jenkins?Hello? from Chattanooga TN
Bill Gorman?poem covers about 40? miles
Ryan Lowe?@AGK: Do you assume you can find HOB on google earth or just WWWH and canyon down and? HOB must be identified with BOTG?
Eric Schmidt?AGK – I saw that documentary. It was good. Doubt Ron Brown Realty? will be around in 1000 years, but who knows… ??
amy smith?Kids are? very small. 2 and 5.
Bill Gorman?HOB is visible on Google Earth but not labeled.?
Timothy Alkire?Bill Gorman. my solve is exactly 48.6mi start to finish.?
Sean Malloy?Documentary was “Finding The Blaze ( 2018) by Rob Wiltsey – it was? very good
Seannm Seannm?@Jason Kemey, the comment was the treasure is located more that 66,000? links north of Santa Fe, and after some presumed translation it came out to be 8.25 miles. So yes it should be considered fact.
J C?agk why don’t you ask David Charles davio 22 which state he found? it in
Steven Merillat?No Indian? Land ?????
Bill Gorman?Full? time RV’n on the hunt.
Man In The Barn?@Stephen Johns Sorry no I don’t. Check out Cowlazars.? He has vlogs on multiple searches and might be able to point you to one.
amy smith?Agk: maybe we need to answer the question that FF asks in? the poem before we can use the clues….????
Nikolai Strov?Hello fellow Fennlings ???
Bill Gorman?Many Omegas and? many blazes!
Eric Schmidt?Amy – what? question?
Timothy Alkire?Bill G. are you on the? hunt now?
Seannm Seannm?@Eric, the one that ends in a? ? (Wink)
Steven Merillat?Many? Omegas only 1 blaze that counts
Mary Green?agree on HLWH, water? tank
Bill Gorman?I can be in? the Fennzone in 1.5 hours
Eric Schmidt?OHHH? ??
Bill Gorman?I? camp closer in Summer
Crow Dudley?AGK ?hello from southern Indiana… Zero times.
Mary Green?@Nikolai? Strov, hi to you
Seannm Seannm?@Eric & Amy. That question? is a figure of speech called a hypophora.
Virgil Caine is my name?@eric shmidt, we searched that horseshoe, (omega) in the highway there. Found a grave with a wood marker and hole alonside it. I think? It was where somebocy buried a pet.
Steven Merillat?1-3 clues? Google 4-7 research 8-9 boots on the ground
Timothy Alkire?[message retracted]
Nikolai Strov?Nice to see you Mary! Hope you are doing well and enjoying an? early spring ??
Bill Gorman?If you’ve been wise and found the waters high he told you to? look for then you’ve found the first blaze. Then you have many more blazes before you find the blaze. He did not make it easy
kinsol?@Ryan Lowe thanks for asking that, I was meaning to ask? the same question.
Steven Merillat?Toby’s right IMO that all clues must be followed in order and if? you don’t have a HOB don’t leave your house.
David Charles Davio22?AGK.**Seen many searchers, inclueding the Brits. All to date 45,000 miles. Sidelined by a deer on? BLM land* Compass only Dead reconding **Yes when I find it I will Break the Find on your Show. How fun
Bill Gorman?Two Omegas? on the map, u in Mountains
Ryan Lowe?@kinsol No? problem! Do you mean about the western interior seaway or the HOB question?
amy smith?@virgil Caine? ????
kinsol?@Ryan Lowe sorry, yeah? the western interior seaway
Mary Green?”if you don’t have a HOB don’t leave your house.” yep that? fooled me 4x, and prob a 5th this may
Joe Mazzocco?Greetings? from Pueblo guys, Love the show!!
Bill Gorman?Each drawing in the book is of a blaze in the? canyon walls.
Paul Ammons?AGK:? water table??
Steven Merillat?ya bill whats that? 3rd symbol with those 2 omegas
Belva Jenkins?Do rattlesnakes go above 8,000 ft.?
Alexander Koch?AGK – Hi guys. Do you know if Forrest puts any additional effort into keeping his email save from? being hacked?
Ryan Lowe?@kinsol I thought it was a pretty? clever idea from Toby and I like it more so than fishing regulations
Nikolai Strov?I agree with you Bill.. I am just curious if a pin pointer can still pick? up that deep in snow
Joe Mazzocco?no? Belva…… to high for rattlesnakes
Mary Green?@ nick,spring is nice,cant wait? until may, for my only hunt this year
Virgil Caine is my name?@joe mazzocco,? has anyone told the rattlesnakes that?
Belva Jenkins?Thanks Jo, that’s what i thought.?
Forrest has said he hid the treasure before the poem was complete. So what parts of the poem, do you believe, were completed after hiding the chest??
Eric Schmidt?Seannm – he rewrote the poem because his? cancer went into remission
Joe Mazzocco?nobody I know? speaks rattle
kinsol?@Ryan Lowe It was very clever. I grew up in a family of geologists, so it was right up my alley.?
Jimmy Fast?I think he hid the chest first to see if it would be found. When it? wasn’t then he filled it with gold
Seannm Seannm?@AGK, consider the? tense nature of the first line in the poem.
Dale Richards?AGK: In your opinion, how big? does a blaze need to be to make it not feasible to remove?
David Charles Davio22?AGK * I have watch the Book Store vid every2days or so . Do you get anything from his sence of humor.? Then? how that translates to the book.
Nikolai Strov?@Mary Green take me with you! I’ll? share my spot with you ??
Nikolai Strov?Did he ever say that these people/searchers were physically there? Did what he said, imply that?? I feel like there is some Jedi going on there
amy smith?Omega can? mean The End
phil?I thought put in was to get in the water until recently…now I think? it means to put in for the night
Bill Gorman?I agree Jimmy, he tested? the spot for a year or two with just the box there or a test box.
Nikolai Strov?500/200 is hard to gauge on the ground, let? alone a photo
Seannm Seannm?@Eric Schmidt, “I followed the clues in the poem when I hid the treasure, but I hid it before the poem was complete. (Completed). I am of the opinion that stanzas 2, 3 and 4 are those he? “followed”
amy smith?@virgil Cain? – where are you from?
Edward Owen?AGK is it possible he took 2 trips on 2 separate? days to hide treasure? Is that a possibility?
Virgil Caine is my name?@amy smith Iowa? and you?
Seannm Seannm?@Eric Schmidt, So? once he returned he then wrote stanza 1, hence the tense nature of “As I have gone alone in there…..”
Nikolai Strov?How? long is an afternoon?
Bill Gorman?He must have? tested his spot with something less valuable before eating the treasure.
amy smith?@virgil Mississippi but grew? up in arkansas
Seannm Seannm?@Bill,? I agree with that thought
Bill Gorman?Eating the treasure? ????
Eric Schmidt?@Seannm Seannm where did you get the quote to which you? are referring?
Joe Mazzocco?OMG!!!!! he? ate the Treasure?
AJ 21?[message retracted]
Seannm Seannm?@Bill, that testing may have confirmed the belief that no one will? stumble or happen upon it.
amy smith?@virgil – Just wondering if? you were into music
Bill Gorman?I use Wizards? to help me find it, the hills talk to me and point me in the right direction by looking for clues in plain sight
Mary Green?@Nikolai Strov, keep track? 123
Nikolai Strov?I stayed? the night near eagles nest
Bill Gorman?No dam where Warm Waters? halt but there is one at the home of brown covered in ice right now
Bryan Eagle?AGK took my 3 daughters to NM last year for multiple trips around Angel Fire, we learned? about how you can’t hide from pm mtn hailstorms, although we huddled under some ponderosa branches. gr8 times
Steve Smitherman?Amy Smith we are? neighbors im from alabama
Nikolai Strov?Roll Tide? Roll
Joel Lewicki?hey! better late than? never
Mary Green?@Nikolai? Strov @marygreen
David Charles Davio22?**AGK** AN 80 year ole man can only go down hill with 20 pound pack, and? with walking poles. On BLM land Did you all start with that ? Warm Halt! cool water begins. Your thoughts?
Bryan Eagle?Contd- We’re bringing extra rain gear next time, more water bottles and more small snacks. Breaks at high? altitudes for us lowlanders are a must!
Seannm Seannm?@Eric Schmidt, that quote was from periodic words on MW in June of 17. The site is currently down atm so? can’t provide link.
Bill Gorman?Miss Ford had a face like? a can opener! So does Fenn’s Totem!
Joey Pero?@AGK? IMO “effort will be worth the cold” = worth all the effort you put in during the winter working on the solve (cold months).
MR G?AGK–Do you believe there are hints within the poem, aside from the 9 direct clues given? What about any words in the poem meant to throw one? off?
Bill Gorman?Treasure is in? a summer rain forest
Mary Green?@Nikolai Strov gmail? dot
Virgil Caine is my name?@amy smith , how did you? guess? And I drove on the Danville train. ??
Seannm Seannm?@Joey Pero, effort,? it takes effort to listen good, but to hear is passive and takes no effort.
AJ 21?[message retracted]
Nikolai Strov?@Mary Green? strov910 @gmail .com ??
Joshua Weickum?Has Forrest ever been asked how old? “Brown”is?
Mary Green?listen good, is to hear?
Steven Merillat?10000 feet is? always cold
Nikolai Strov?When knowledge speaks, wisdom listens?
Seannm Seannm?@Mary, there is a distinct difference between hearing and listening good, my wife points it out to me often.?
amy smith?@virgil – I wish I’d known Levon before? he died. I’m from that area. Know all their songs.
Mary Green?Nikolai? Strov kk
David Charles Davio22?AGK * there are 166 words in the Poem.Times Steps from page 15? = 365.2 Is this away of referencing a compass?A clock?
Steven Merillat?@Joshua Weickum FF wouldn’t? answer that kind of question
AJ 21?[message retracted]
AGK Do? you Think it is possible FF took 2 trips on 2 separate days to hide treasure? Is that at all a outside possibility, because Treasure was too heavy?
Bill Gorman?It’s in a public? R.O.W
Jimmy Fast?Two trips on? the same afternoon
Nikolai Strov?@Edward? Owen he has stated it was done in the same afternoon.. 2 trips to his vehicle in one afternoon
Mary Green?FF said he did it? in 1 afternoon 2 trips
Steven Merillat?Lol,? Bill your gonna make some brains explode
amy smith?@steven? merillat – life is but a dream.
Bill Gorman?Find it? on the side of the road and you can keep it
Dan Kirk?AGK: Maybe Forrest’s reasoning was that the treasure? would be more secure in his hiding spot then leaving it in his car? Perhaps that’s why he took it first?
Aksarben?hey guys made it to the tail? end, but I’m here! 🙂
Joe Mazzocco?@ AGK How long does a drive to San Luis take from Sante Fe for you? What kind? of driver is Forrest, I’m guessing slow cruiser type enjoying the drive.
Aksarben?do? you think the chest is hidden withing 200-500feet from a trail or parking spot?
MrBmchapman?Hi Toby and Shelley! Love your videos and look forward to them each week- When did you guys first find out about the treasure and what? was it that drew you to it? -Brad
Nikolai Strov?My blaze is 500ft ???
Denise Bagley?[message retracted]
Mary Green?AGK we are good @ multi tasking? LOL
Bill Gorman?His Drawings are his trove to seek,? each is a blaze
Cheeky Lads?Message deleted by Jimmy Fast.View deleted message
Nikolai Strov?Thank you!?
Cheeky Lads was hidden by Jimmy Fast.
Bill Gorman?People within 200 feet, drove by?
Nikolai Strov?The 200ft? is inside the 500ft
Denise Bagley?[message retracted]
Have you discussed the “Brown Put-In” off hwy 89? Also, there is a? book that says Joe Meek was runoff by Indians at the mouth of Tom Miner’s creek, which is too far to walk and downstream from there. Any thoughts?
Sean Malloy?the clues did not exist, but the places the clues referred? to did
Bryan Schultz?The clues did not exist when I was a kid but most of the places the clues refer? to did
Joshua Weickum?do we have to have? money to ask a question?
Seannm Seannm?@joshua, no just? start with AGK
Steven Merillat?200ft to Parking lot – HOB, 1079 feet to? blaze area.
Joel Lewicki?Bryan has the correct quote – namely that? *most* of the places the clues refer to did
Mary Green?@Joshua? Weickum, no use AGK then Q
Aksarben?1500 miles? at 35mph LOL
Thomas Dye?@agk. I am from southern AL.? my camper doesn’t do good in cold weather. When does the summer season start in your area?
Bill Gorman?San Luis? about 60 miles from Taos
Jimmy Fast?AGK I see the super chat button now on my iphone?????
Bryan Schultz?Not sure where to put the chest after i go get it.? Under my pillow?
Joshua Weickum?AGK Do we know is there anyone has asked Forrest? how old any of the things referenced in the clue are? Specifically how long has it been since Brown first had a home
Nikolai Strov?It could be literal,? it could be figurative
J C?agk 0 botg. what’s the odds of me? finding it on the first trip.haha
AJ 21?[message retracted]
freckleface2?AGK: why do you think FF capitalized the “B” in brown? Must be more than fish? or bear indications, eh?
David Charles Davio22?AGK HAve you seen the videos? fromThe Bullalo Bill Center of the west, McCracken Research Library when Fenn was inter veiwed 2010.
Eric Schmidt?@J C? Good luck!!
Nikolai Strov?Why didn’t he capitalize Trove? ???
Steven Merillat?@AJ 21 yes and he? has stated that as late as last year, there is a search season
Nikolai Strov?I look forward to seeing you all tomorrow! See you next? time ??
Eric Schmidt?AGK: How do you look? at Snowmass? TO determine when you can get out to look?
Bill Gorman?I swam? in the Arkansas River on March 10, 2016
James Kruse?iPad donate $? is working also now
J C?thanks? Eric
ZYNGR?AGK So, can you? explain in more detail why are you against looking north of Yellowstone (Hwy 89)
Bill Gorman?Use Highway? cams
James Kruse?I’m in the iPad? app
David Dow?My iPhone 6, still no super chat. Just? using YouTube app.
Heather Guillen?AGK When was the very first time Fenn stepped foot into New Mexico??
Bill Gorman?A Mammoth Trunk is a Chest?
Joe Mazzocco?@ Eric Snow? could still be around till June.
Jimmy Fast?YouTube app? gray dollar sign
Bill Gorman?Elephants are Nature’s Treasure!?
Jon Polasek?@AGK Do you think? Quest to cease could be a reference to Questa, NM?
Je Ra?Zyngr: ff said something like best places to explore don’t have trails but some places aren’t safe? to do that like Yellowstone, he said specifically
Jarod Atchley?AGK What is your favorite part? of looking for the treasure?
An Average Person?AGK if “most” of the areas existed when he was a kid, which one(s) didn’t? Do you have something in your solution that? was created after FF was a kid?
Joshua Weickum?Sorry? there is a delay for me.
marwkarl?AGK: if a Lucky? Swede find the treasure.. how do you suggest he does next?
Joe Mazzocco?Not? alot of snow around this year though
Bill Gorman?Android has super chat $?
James Kruse?Thanks? guys
Heather Guillen?AGK How would I obtain a copy of the chat??
B Cross?Great? show
Je Ra?AGK: what year was he planning to originally leave? his car at the Denver museum.
Ryan Lowe?Thanks AGK! Great show? as always
Paul McGinty?Thanks great? show
Virgil Caine is my name?Thanks Toby and Shelley?
Jarod Atchley?@Heather Guillen he puts them on? the blog
Jimmy Fast?@heather go to? agypsyskiss.com
Bill Gorman?you hear bears coming, cats? are quiet
David Dow?I noticed the frustration in the beginning. It was handled well. Everything went great afterwards. Another? great show.
ZYNGR?Thanks … fun channel???
MrBmchapman?Even though Forest didn’t? say…Do you think digging is required to find treasure if you had to guess?
Paul McGinty?@Bill Gorman?you hear bears coming, cats are quiet ……lol brilliant?
Jimmy Fast?I guess no?
Joe Mazzocco?no digging required?
James Kruse?God? I hope not
Bill Gorman?He said you don’t have to break? anything to get to it, does that include!use the ground?
David Charles Davio22?LOVE? to all BAck too Co..
James Kruse?Now back to Cowlazars puzzle? 3
Bill Gorman?My social security does not support super chat?
Mary Green?AGK thank? you
Eric Schmidt?Thank? you guys
Mary Green?thanks see? you then
Joe Mazzocco?be? safe
Mary Green?@ group when you go to AGK live link,even when? off air the chat still works is that the way it works
Mary Green?see it works?
Joe Mazzocco?i see u? Mary
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Live Chat from Today’s Program
A Gypsy’s KissToday’s program starts at 1pm MST.
Joel LewickiGood afternoon – welcome to the locus in quo!
Nikolai StrovI smashed my phone on the ground yesterday.. I won’t be around as much :):
Paul McGintyGood afternoon
Man In The BarnGood Afternoon All
James KruseHi guys
An Average Personhey all
Eric SchmidtGood afternoon
Edward OwenHi Guys
Rick PlankHello from Cincinnati
Nikolai StrovHAPPY VALENTINES DAY!!
Jay Elltop-o-the afternoon ya, boyo!
AksarbenHello from Omaha
clay spenceA Big Texas Happy Valentine’s back at you All!
Joey PeroAll men Shelly – I think you’ve found your audience !
Michael koenHello from NC
Nikolai StrovJoey isn’t even 21! 😉
Cindy GuessVolume is low today
Crow DudleyAGK.. hello from southern Indiana… You guys are awesome.
Eric SchmidtVolume is good for me..
CmonkeyificationVolume low on Shelley only
AksarbenThe person who has title owns it… Forrest has said that in his videos multiple times
Rick Plank@AGK: I liked your desktop microphones much better.
Sandy Wolfhello from West Virginia just want to say love your show
Joel Lewickifor further research: https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/…
Dan KirkAGK: If you find the treasure, will it be difficult do do this show and pretend like it wasn’t you who found it?
Bill Gormanaudio was fine now sounds like Toby is in a barrel. Somebody just has a cheep computer with poor sound
RedneckExpressToby is loud and clear – Shelly you mic is still low
Nikolai StrovHe was of clear mind when he decided to trove his treasure
Tl MattesSomebody is in the office working, unable to turn it up full blast, Bill. Don’t talk bad about my sister!
Road RunnersWado from the Osage Reservation in Oklahoma.
Steve Gaghagenhello from snowy Kearney Nebraska
Eric SchmidtThey have new mikes this week..
AksarbenPossession is 90% of ownership 😄
Joey PeroHaha 37 but thank you !
Nikolai StrovThats my age too 😃
Denise BagleyTitle to the “gold” not the bracelet or the bronze chest.” That may be how he’ll know someone has found it.
RedneckExpressTitle to the gold is Also part of a final clue – IMO
Nikolai StrovI believe it is someplace that is accessible to the public, you can NOT go looking for treasure in a national PARK.. These rules/laws are different in national FORRESTs
Denise BagleyDo tell… Redneck
Nikolai StrovAlso, with all this said, this should narrow the search area/s down significantly
Bill GormanForrest service cop told me I could keep it, sheriff said I could keep it, state trooper said I can keep it
Joel LewickiArticle referenced: https://www.inc-cin.org/assets/pdf/ar…
Eric SchmidtBill – you preparing for your rebuttal?
Steve Gaghagenisn’t national Park land public land set aside for us?
RedneckExpressDB: I believe Toby is accurate with the transfer of ownership verbiage, and also believe Numerous things in the poem mean 2 or even 3 different things.
Dale RichardsI had a BLM employee tell me that anything left on BLM land becomes subject to their rules of removal aft the 50 year mark.
Wade KampsThis is why I rule out the treasure being placed on any reservation, then you also have to deal with another sovereign government
RedneckExpressSeriously doubt it’s on private or tribal land…
Michael koenBLM land
Wade KampsRailroad bridges on reservation are all made of metal, they kept burning the wooden bridges and any freight that fell on tribal land became property of the tribe.
Nikolai StrovLadies, I hope your man’s spoil you with infinite sweet nothings, all the flowers in the world and more love, hugs and kisses than the eye can see.. Happy Valentimes! See you all next time ♥🙏
Eric SchmidtActually don’t blame the native americans for taking the tribal land so seriously as they have historical been taken advantage of
Steve GaghagenI agree Eric it’s one thing we didn’t take back
Road RunnersYou’re so right Eric.
Eric SchmidtI have read quite a bit about this – one of the toughest reads was Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.
Denise BagleyThat was? Or is ? I think that was a mistake , I hope.
john gouldThe govt will always make the case. (Yo confiscate). What do they have to lose?
Steve GaghagenLittle Big Man one of the best movies to show how we really treated the natives
Mary Green@ Denise Bagley caught that too
David Ursinyfenn is smart chances are that the box contains one gold coin and a paper ticket saying come get your treasure with his phone number
Michael koenFenn has said it’s not buried
Eric SchmidtMichael – he hasn’t said whether it’s buried or not, “That’s a clue I don’t want to give”
amy smithHi! I’m late
fossilman123hello from Phx
clay spenceI can’t get the live streaming up. any ideas?
Clayton WatsonPerpetually late, but finally here!!
11B 2P Treasure finderHi Shelley, hi Toby
Mary Green@ clay spence clear your cookies
A J Rainville@clay spence refresh browser?
clay spencedone and done. Thanks. will have to see it later. cell service must be bad here. tks.
Franklin EaversI would speak with an attorney to see what the best place for me to find it would be.
Eric SchmidtAGK: United AIrlines magazine is Hemispheres
JanKirbhey fossilman i’m in phx too
Mary Green@ clay paste url again
clay spence@ mary will do. tks
Bill GormanA road is not a trail
Franklin EaversCan law enforcement make you say where it was found? In that case I would have a story.
Steve GaghagenAGK you did a video awhile ago with a great Fenn timeline can you refer me to what the title to that video is?
Bill GormanForrest cop told me I can keep it
Clayton WatsonBy my calculation you have approx 100 days to adjust your search area, find the chest, and implement “your plan for when you find the treasure” before I get there…plus or minus a few snow days 😉
KiraBill, a cop isnt a lawyer, it wont hold up.
Michael koenIt won’t be foumd before June
JanKirbis the Shelley campaign still on?
Laurie Jamesa boyfriend with a treasure chest please!
Dale RichardsAGK: so, do you think that “go in peace” means to not be confrontational at all, if approached by law enforcement or a government employee?
AJ 21Agk What if you go public with the treasure what happen then?
amy smithI wonder if there are mosquitoes close to the treasure?
Eric Schmidtremove the space before the first “01”
Dan VonBankwatching in Minnesota
Denise BagleyIn the interview just played Forrest says that you need to report it…was that a National Park? I just missed where he said you’d have to report it. Even though it would still belong to the finder.
Clayton Watson@AJ21 There exists the potential to make enough money doing publicity gigs and write books that you can keep the chest!
jaswintersAGK So just to be clear is there any land out there legal to find the treasure chest without having any complications?
Bill GormanSheriff said I can keep it, he just suggested carrying a gun for the 200 pound cats
Man In The BarnAGK – When you auction off the chest would you be selling publishing rites to the autobiography and story or will you be keeping that?
Franklin EaversHe doesn’t say you ‘need’ to, he says that’s the ‘legal’ thing to do. I wouldn’t tell anyone until it’s safely transported.
Adam FoddyAGK: Has there been any cases of “treasure” being found with the finder losing out due to legal issues?
Joey PeroNot yet
Steve Gaghagenwe say it carnie
amy smithI think it’s because your mic is too low to why
Steve HuntIf you aren’t the (anonymous) finder, would you say it’s not you?
AksarbenForrest says he has a feeling it will be found this summer. Do you feel the same or do you think it is to get people off the computer and out to the mountains
JanKirbAGK Fenn seems so sure of no legality issues that do you think the chest contains a title document to the treasure that passes to the founder?
James KruseMight try moving the lapel mic higher up Tody
Peter Longanshould the finder document the location for legal reasons
Miter BrollerAGK. We all know what Clue #1 is, but interested in what Clue #9 is for you? Which line/sentence?
Bill GormanThey don’t let me in the other Fenn Facebook groups, I know too much.
amy smithI had one!
Dale RichardsAGK: I had a question above
Michael koenbesides the treasure the only thing I havn’t found is a car wreck in a ditch
Melinda TruscelliHow often do you go out and search? How many have you done so far?
Peter Longanagk should the finder document the location for legal reasons
AksarbenMichael were you in Kristin when you saw that wreck
Wade KampsWonder if Forrest wanted to throw his bones on the treasure because Indian bones would trump Forrest Fenns title to his claim? sort of a poke at the govt..
Bill GormanI went to the Denver Museum last week, I wasn’t impressed with it.
Michael koenI have found the rr, the cametary and fire circle
Dale RichardsAGK: some BLM areas have a 5 gallon bucket rule. Would removing a Treasure Trove be allowed with that rule in place?
Bill GormanAnubis and the Mammoth outside are the only clues at Denver Nature Useum.
James KruseThat’s interesting
amy smithAGK: do you think if there are mosquitoes where he hid the treasure?
Melinda Truscelli[message retracted]
Bill GormanAs a camp host at a Forrest service campground, I know all the law enforcement for the area and they all told me I can keep it
James KruseAgk: would you open the chest or auction it sealed
Happy Valentines …..
Melinda TruscelliAGK how many searches have you been on and how often do you go?
Bill GormanIt will be one of his jars with the title to go claim it
Denise BagleyI love your show! Thank you.
Dale RichardsAmy: I think Forrest said he accidentally left his sardine sandwich in the chest when he dumped his gold in it.
B CrossAGK: Are you aware of any interview with Forrest conducted this year with author James Frey?
Eric SchmidtB Cross – you been watching Cowlazars?
Peter Longanagk when or did fenn say that the chest could be affected by natural desaters.
Laurie JamesFYI. Toby, you really need to read House of Rain by Craig Child’s. It’s a wonderful book.
Road RunnersAGK – Off topic somewhat but can you tell me whether or not there are lignite deposits in or adjacent to Cimarron Canyon?
Mary Green@ B Cross, u beat me to that Q
Denise BagleyWhat if you tell people where you found it? Would they have to prove it? I can’t see what I am typing so forgive my mistakes.
Edward OwenAGK did forrest say once that the Blaze cannot be seen from Google Earth?
Allie Blancheagk do you have to report the $100,000 in cash that’s sitting in the chest?
David DowAGK: could you create an entity owned by a self directed Roth IRA, therefore when you find it, you don’t really own it, but your Roth IRA OWNS IT, then no taxes need to be paid?
JanKirbAGK can we exclude NM owned public land and city owned pubic land or not?
Denise BagleyLike couldn’t you tell people and they’d have to prove it? Whom ever finds it could say it was found somewhere whether it wasn’t found.
Bill GormanJames Frey said my photos were “Amazing”
amy smithAGK: do you know if FF’s father really took his own life and the details to finding his body?
Mary Green@ David Dow, im going to ask a account friend about that
Man In The BarnAGK – If someone else find the trove and you find out the location afterwards would you announce report on it?
AksarbenCould you avoid legal issue by lending or just donating it to a museum for an extended/permanent time frame
Steve Gaghagenthanks for the answers Toby and Shelley love the show great as always Happy Valentine’s day great to be back for a live stream
Jimmy Fast[message retracted]
Franklin EaversSame question as Jimmy Fast.
Michael koen5 gallon bucket rule is for petrified wood
Denise BagleyAGK, we should have a secret party with all invested in the hunt.
Joey Pero@AGK thoughts on the colors mentioned in Tea with Olga?
Bill GormanThe trove is the Drawings, find the Art in Nature if you’re brave because you will be critisized for seeing Rockwell’s in rocks.
Bill GormanFrey loves the Mammoth Temples fits his fantasy style.
Dale RichardsATK: Do you think Forrest or an affiliate of his has staked a claim where he hid the treasure? If so, entirely different set of rules.
David Ursinynone of that legal stuff will count on federal property because all you will find at the bear canyon campfire is a box with one gold coin and a ticket saying call me to get your treasure, its a legal
Steve GaghagenAGK what are the 6 questions you’ve decided on?
Michael koenthere has been a landslide near where I am looking
Sandy WolfMichael get a metal detector
If I ever found the treasure, I would split it with you guys for sure. Your dedication to this project is profound.
Bill GormanFenn was asked if an earthquake would hide it and he acted as it could.
David Ursinyits a legal thing for somebody getting hurt with a pile of gold forrest lawyers schooled him its hiss show
Eric SchmidtAGK: he said you couldn’t zoom in enough to see the chest – I don’t think he said whether or not you could see the blaze
Peter Longanthank you for that answer
Sandy Wolfif treasure is on private land can you still claim it
Eric SchmidtI thought that was on the Moby Dickens video..?
Dale RichardsATK: I think he buried it in sand. He made mention of that in referring to a poem in his book. Do you think that digging in the sand does not create a surface disturbance?
Bill GormanAGK found in a state ROW?
Sandy Wolfthat’s why he said take it and leave it’s probably on private land
Joey PeroATK = only on Thursdays haha !
Sandy Wolfhow do we no that no one has found it cause of tax purposes he said he hasn’t been back to make sure it’s there
WorldFamous Gameris it possible to find out where Forrest’s properties?
Seannm SeannmAGK & All: the key word may be trove, and the fact that he says “leave my trove for all to seek”. This line in the poem may cover the legalities of ownership. He spent a whole bunch of $ on lawyer
Edward OwenThank you eric
Dale RichardsAGK: So then, do you think I should do the right thing and put it back? 😉
Eric SchmidtNo problem! Glad to help
fossilman123AGK, can you add this question to the list of FF Questions…..FF said he hid the treasure , Is it hidden out of view?
Michael koenLater all, tks
Clayton WatsonAGK: Bill Gorman is referring to State Right-of-Way. I.e. bar ditches and such
James KruseThanks guys, good show!
WorldFamous GamerGod bless y’all have fun
Eric SchmidtThanks again Toby/Shelley
Tl MattesGood Job everyone! Thanks
Cindy GuessThank you, AGK!
Paul McGintyThank you
Mary Greenthank you
Jay EllAGK: Other than being in his book, is the poem signed by FF to prove the poem is his for certain Forrest Fenn’s?
A Gypsy’s Kiss?Join us today at 1pm MST!?
Man In The Barn?Hey Toby and? Shelley!
11B 2P Treasure finder?Hi Shelley hi Toby?
Michael Elder?excited to see what? you guys have to say about this!
Man In The Barn?Very? Normal
Rick Plank?Hello? from Cincinnati
Cmonkeyification?Audio? is good
Scott P?Driving home from Dallas in the? rain. Going to have to catch you guys on the replay. Have a good show.
fossilman123?sounds good here in PHX?
Clayton Watson?Hello? Hello
Seannm Seannm?Afternoon all?
David Dow?Either with chat on or off, I? can’t find an option for donation by scrolling all the way down.
Crow Dudley?Hello you guys… A newbie here from southern Indiana. Could he have some kind of a GPS device or even geocaching sites close to the treasure?
Michael koen?I also sent him a card telling him where I was going and? what I had found so far
Journeyman?That’s what I? thought when I read it last night.
Steven Merillat?He is to old school for GPS but he is a guy whos made flight plans and knows exactly where he? hid the treasure.
Bill Gorman?guts? have brain cells
Sandy Wolf?ive watched two different searches were people have Found an “F” carved eitber in a tree or stone and these people referred to this as the blaze what? do you think?
Allen K?Hi AGK! Fenn usually says? he hopes the treasure is found in 100-1000-10000 years. Why does his gut now tell him THIS summer?
Clayton Watson?AGK:? His “gut” feeling is a subtle way of saying he has received a signal from a searcher without explicitly acknowledging any particular searcher who has emailed him with correct information. IMO
Michael koen?6 bucks 50 cent and the location of his? fathers grave led me to a rusty pipe 18 inches long
Treasure Poem?Clayton Watson:? I agree
Bill Gorman?an f in a tree is little compared to Fenn with a? fish and two hooks on the top of a cliff face.
David Dow?Sally Wolf, some searchers leave an “f” to mark that they’ve searched? that area.
Clayton Watson?@Treasure? Poem ????
fossilman123?huh ?? koen
Michael koen?rusty? pipe in book he slide down and 18 inches is how far he stopped from ground after bail out in nam
fossilman123?why 6.50 and what rusty? pipe
Eric Schmidt?Outside? Miss Ford’s class
Michael koen?6 bucks 50 cents and location? of his father grave=gps
Michael koen?2 borderline biddies is also a? hint
Michael koen?will ne back after falcon lift? off
Jeff Treece?Agk do? you know if Forrest fenn ever took Eric Sloan for a ride in his plane?
Bill Gorman?he said after the preacher died he could retrieve it on his? own
Michael koen?that knowledge is important, just knowing a 2 track road is a dirt road but? could also be interped as a rr track
fossilman123?thx koen, 2? biddies?
Maestro?love? you’re show
Joey Pero?@AGK. Greetings from? NYC!
Stephen Johns?AGK Toby and? Shelley when you go out hunting for Forrests treasure chest how long do you devote to an area or spot on average?
Bill Gorman?canyon? down then paddle up creek
Joey Pero?The famous bill Gorman? is here!
Maestro?what lies before us and what lies behind us are small matters? to what lies within us. RWE May God bless
Dan Kirk?AGK:? Are you two still considering the geologic theory for the home of Brown?
Cindy Guess?AGK: When are you? heading back to search the Cimarron?
Cmonkeyification?AGK: You should start your? own wine club. ??
Maestro?Mr Fenn Thank you for the chase.? Tommy R Burk
Seannm Seannm?@AGK: you have? given us your interpretation of the word few, but what is your interpretation of the word first? Thank you and great job!
Joey Pero?Yay wine!?
Maestro?@AGK: Thank you? Toby and Shelley You guys are super. TRB
David Dow?I was a? grunt. 11B
Eric Schmidt?Thank you!?
Cindy Guess?Have you looked for Jessie Phillips 1894? grave site?
phil?AGK: a few is more than two but not much more than two, (Collected works event?)?
Joey Pero?@AGK hello from? NYC!
Steven Merillat?you git my last name right YAY?
Michael koen?2 biddies is in? the book
Laurie James?blaze on a tree not? unique.
Bill Gorman?AGK Forrest said after the preacher died that he could retrieve the treasure on his own.? Also he sad he can”t imagion anbody being within 12 Feet and not finding it. it can be seen from that far
Man In The Barn?I think Bill figuring out the bottle caps is the reason FF is saying? he thinks it will be found. Bill is figuring it out.
Cindy Guess?Forrest has said he hid the treasure when “the country was in a? terrible recession” or “starting a pretty good recession”. Does that conform your 2003 hiding date? or 2010?
Paul Wood?Do u think it is? in a tree
Michael koen?behind a pine tree?
Mike Gregg?you guys are getting? close with your interpretation of the clues that’s probably why he thinks it will be found
Laurie James?AKG. What year did FF? sell his plane?
fossilman123?why do you think? 2 biddies are a clue?
Paul Wood?agk is it in a tree from? Rio rancho nm
Michael koen?2 BORDERLINE BIDDIES, I know it? is
Adam Foddy?Hey guys! Just checking in to say? hello. will watch this later tonight.
Laurie James?I’m? from Salida!
Steven Merillat?AGK PAY PAL? info again please
Michael koen?you have to look around lol?
Eric Schmidt?Hey Mike?
Michael koen?there isn’t any way you can get to the treasure before june because of the? high alt snow
AJ 21?Agk do plan on? going to rio costilla area?
Laurie James?Snowing in? Salida!
Michael koen?it’s at 8700 feet?
Bill Gorman?The architect was the brown? beaver
Crow Dudley?What if he used a tracking device similar to what they use in ?finding a lost dog
Michael koen?battery would be dead for tracking?
Paul Ammons?AGK: One location I feel very confident with, to see the blaze I would need to break? a rule…. Thoughts?
fossilman123?why you say that koen? Thanks foe the? tips btw
Paul Wood?cowlazars it’s been? 2weeks no text from fen i am close
David Dow?AGK: what are your thought on “worth the? cold”?
Cowlazars?Paul Wood let me know how the next trip? goes..
Laurie James?oops? missed that?
Michael koen?I only have 1 lung, my o2 machine crapped out less than 200 feet of where I wanted? to look and severly cut myself and had to retreat in heavy rain
Steven Merillat?8000ft? –
Cowlazars?Brother Bill keep up the good work!?
Laurie James?Thanks on the plane info.?
Steven Merillat?Cow – I hate the? glacier national park solve. TO COLD
Coleen DeBaldo?Agk Thanks for? the hard work, good luck Shelly
Bill Gorman?AGK? Do 3 jars of Cloves + mammoth + Clovis Points = Clovis ?
Eric Schmidt?AGK: follow up on “worth the cold” question. You find it interesting that Forrest forgot the poem at that point in the Moby Dickens video? The rest of the poem he said? from memory.
Aksarben?your effort will be worth the bronze chest, just like he was? talking about the cold bronze bust of the Indian head. a different way of reading his words
Clayton Watson?@Aksarben ???
Aksarben?Hear me all and listen good… Moby dickens he read this line twice. Watch the video and see him do that. I think this line? is really important
The Whole Monti?…. it will be? found this summer
phil?AGK: do you think there is significance to the poem mentioned,? BRAVE and in the wood, with my treasures BOLD, no place for the meek as a motif?
Steven Merillat?Spending Toby’s cash? ??
Joey Pero?@AGK No? place for the meek – no place for biddies ? Thoughts?
David Dow?I was thinking “ in the wood” might mean “on target” like in? playing darts.
The Whole Monti?would you give the treasure away if? you found it with someones solve
Bill Gorman?Moses halts the warm waters? and I found him parting the Rocky Mountains.
Michael koen?I had? 1 bear follow me out 2nd trip
Crow Dudley?AGK. Do? you think he has a tracking device in the treasure box
Joey Pero?Loose lips? sink ships!
Michael koen?lol? haad both
Aksarben?yeah i saw the dates? 1960’s security cameras at his old gallery…. very low tech
The Whole Monti?After email him last year, i emailed him “its a map” a month later? he said “its a map”
Samuel Smith?AGK could the phrase ‘in the wood’ be indicative of the location being within? a National Forest, i.e. pu8blic land?
David Dow?AGK: when you auction off? at Sotheby’s, will they keep you anonymous?
HoneyB100?If you find the TC in a Federal Park that requires you to report it to the Park Director will? you?
Franklin Eavers?I just found out about the Fenn treasure a month ago. Anyway, I’ve read TTOTC and the poem hundreds of times and am waiting for warm weather. Thank you? guys.
The Whole Monti?Thank you, I love a gypsy’s kiss?
Michael koen?It’s on BLM? land
Mary Green?Michael koen?It’s? on BLM land,.. i think that too
David Dow?Another great? show.
fossilman123?Hey Koen i didn’t understand your? answer for the elevation of 8700 ft.
Michael koen?and because of BLM land? it’s not buried
Mary Green?a trick to blm? land though
Paul Ammons?Thanks for your time!?
Michael koen?very simple, that? is the altitude it is
Michael koen?at the? base of the sizzor tail
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