Forrest Fenn Treasure Hunter Jonathan Jones. IAAY #11. 2018 09 14

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Shelley’s friend, Grant Baciocco, a talented artist himself, asked if he could interview her in 2016 before we closed Videotero and committed 100% to the Fenn Treasure and A Gypsy’s Kiss. She gives us a sense of her broad range of talents, and why she makes a great partner in our AGK venture. Take a listen to learn more about Shelley.


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fossilman123​im here

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Clayton Watson​Hello Hello

Jimmy Fast​Hello

Rick Plank​Hello from Cincinnati

Allen K​Hello AGK! Looking and sounding good!

Wayne Peterson​hey all NuggetBrain Wayne here

B Cross​Hello all

David Charles Davio22​Like hat you all are doing lately. Much Love

Ashley Bergstrom​Hello!

Paul McGinty​hello all

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David Charles Davio22​Davio audio. Sounds good.

Edward Owen​sup

Cmonkeyification​Aww, new book smell. Mmm…

David Charles Davio22​New book smell. lol

Laura Doise​watch all the time!!

Andrew West​AGK Third time catching you live!! Spread the good word Toby

Andrew West​AGK, didn’t you guys already post this Video? Didn’t it originally have the New Mexico arts intro NMEA?

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Steve Gaghagen​AGK searcher was Marc Howard

Jimmy Fast​Keep it mint in box for the most Money

Cmonkeyification​AGK: When you inform the media, tell us where it was located!!!

Eric Schmidt​AGK: when you anonymously have it auctioned at Southbys won’t they the IRS tax you? (even though the auction price will be higher the government will take their share)

Cmonkeyification​AGK: or at least where warm waters halt

Eric Schmidt​Cmonkeyification – they have said they will never reveal where it was found if they find it

Jimmy Fast​There is no upside to revealing where it was found….tell no one!

Eric Schmidt​Jimmy – exactly!

Andrew West​AGK, where is the superchat button/link?

Eric Schmidt​Toby – check your thermostat..

David Dow​AGK: have you listened to the interview 10/25/2010? It’s about 20 minutes long.

Block​Can treasure be hidden in Santa Fe mountains ?

John Wood​it would be extremely difficult for me to part with any of the treasure if I find it.

Journeyman​I would say “I left 20-50 gold coins for 2nd place and good luck!”

James Kruse​Howdy

Jimmy Fast​@journeyman you will lose a lot of value if you break up the treasure

walters1134​the value is in the chase not the gold

Journeyman​It’s not about more value than I will already have gotten.

Joey Pero​Yes yes yes!

David Charles Davio22​I am sure there are two 1933 Double eagle coins. That would make world News.

Edward Owen​why 1993 are they valuable?

John Wood​Hopefully I can make enough sales from the autobiography that I can keep all the treasure.

Joey Pero​@AGK we should count the chapters *hint hint*

Edward Owen​David sorry 1933

Paul McGinty​8pm UK Time

Andrew West​How many joey?

David Charles Davio22​Page 4. First letter A alpha,

Eric Schmidt​Although 445,500 specimens of this Saint-Gaudens double eagle were minted in 1933, none were ever officially circulated and all but two were ordered melted down.

Paul McGinty​I’m watching from UK.

Edward Owen​Thanks

Eric Schmidt​NP

David Charles Davio22​Look up 1933 double. No one knows how many there are out there. But FOREST the great collector.

Bill Gorman​You’ll find many of his bottle caps in his special place which means you’ll need a metal detector.

Edward Owen​Thanks

An Average Person​AGK – did you notice at 7:24 min’s, she wants to discuss the treasure and starts with “so you buried the treasure…” and doesn’t get corrected.

Joey Pero​Hello AGK!

Liam O’Neil​An average person, she corrected herself right after saying that

Joel Lewicki​AGK: Hey!

Joel Lewicki​on twitter, “agypsyskisstv” and “agypsyskisslive” appear to both be available (FYI)

An Average Person​Liam… hummm… let me go look again, thanks.

Clayton Watson​🏔🏔🏔🏔

Steve Gaghagen​AGK how many differences are there between the different editions? could there be more hints in the first edition?

Andrew West​I am on my phone. I don’t see emojis or $

Jimmy Fast​No super chat on my iPhone 7+

Paul Ammons​got it👍

David Charles Davio22​Fenn the great collector 1933 Double eagle Thats how he will know it was found.

Stephen Johns​Hi AGK from Canada.

David Charles Davio22​Have seen you the video 2010 AT the CODY mussium

Joey Pero​Hahahhaha my pleasure ! Keeping it honest !

Cmonkeyification​[message retracted]

Cindy Guess​Mary-Charlotte Radio Cafe

Joey Pero​Start with the first post mark @agk

Timothy Alkire​why would ff say “Occasionally it’s wise for the fox to dress like the hound” if he hid it on Public land.

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Adam Foddy​Hey Toby and Shelley! Hope you are both well

Block​Is the Santa Fe ski basin within the search area ?

Heather Guillen​Have you guys considered that the clues may not start in the 4 states that are represented? The treasure may be in those states but not the first few clues?

Paul Ammons​Do the nine clues and locations to those clues land within the boundaries of the TFTW Map”

Joel Lewicki​AGK: on Twitter

David Charles Davio22​THE Buffalo bill center interviews 2010.

MR G​AGK-Do you really believe that somebody has been within 200 ft or 500 ft from the treasure?

David Charles Davio22​McCracken Research Library has interveiws 2010

Timothy Alkire​I forgot to put AGK. on my question, darn it…

Chuck Denny​Hello from Charlotte, NC!

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

David Charles Davio22​AGK so new at this. McCracken Research Library is

Edward Owen​AGk do you have to reveal to anyone (IRS etc )where you found treasure….Thx

Block​[message retracted]

Liam O’Neil​I do, but what did fenn mean by searchers? Everyone is searching for something so anybody could have been within 500-200 ft

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Cmonkeyification​David Charles Davio22 where are the videos located?

David Charles Davio22​AGK McCracken Research Library is the Buffalow bill mussium. . He was interveiwed, 2010. at the time he went out to bury it.

Block​AGK thank you for answering my question !! God bless .

Rick Plank​@AGK: Do you know if FF owns any other land?

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Cmonkeyification​David Charles Davio22 Where can you find the inteview? Is it on their website?

Andrew West​AGK I solved the problem of public private land. Forrest “lost” this chest. All you have to do is return it and give me back my bracelet, and it’s yours.

Steve Gaghagen​AGK as for the new Mexico parks regulations for warm waters are more of them located north of Santa Fe or south of Santa Fe?

Stephen Johns​AGK Forrest once referred to a adding a hundred thousand dollar cheque as the way of telling if the treasure was found. Now he can’t remember if he did it. Your thoughts. Thanks

David Charles Davio22​AGK . Do you find it interesting that the book just Starts on page 4, and the first Letter is A… Alpha, page 6 W omega.? your thoughts ?

Eric Schmidt​Andrew WEst – that works only if FOrrest is still alive..

Cmonkeyification​AGK: Couldn’t Forrest just leave a legal title transfer document within the chest for the finder?

Andrew West​Eric he isn’t the only one who knows the location. If will be passed on with his estate

Journeyman​AGK I have looked at New Mexico fishing regs. Can you explain the in detail warm waters?

AJ 21​Do think WWWH could be a glacier ?

Edward Owen​AGK could you please explain why you beleive FF was closer to 70 verses 80? Thanks guys…

Paul Ammons​AKA I don’t believe I would keep a secret with FF…Lol

Heather Guillen​AGK Do either of you know how Fenn came into ownership of San Lazarus pueblo? I want to know if he bought the land knowing it was on the property and planned to excavate it or if it was a coincidence?

James Kruse​Agk: do you think the TC is bare, or did fenn protect the box somehow, which might allow it to be hiding it in plain sight?

Steve Gaghagen​thanks Toby and Shelley great show and great content!

MR G​AGK-I know you guys believe that Forrest hid the treasure before 2009-2010. Didn’t the FBI supposedly see the chest in his house around 2009-2010?

phil​The chest can’t be anywhere too hot or the wax on the jar would melt, besides river bottoms, where else could work?

Clayton Watson​Phil, micro crystalline wax has a melting point of 145-200 degrees depending on type.

Andrew West​AGK Shelley, you always skip my comments 😡

phil​@Clayton Watson roger that

Jimmy Fast​Hit the super chat button Andrew

David Charles Davio22​AGK Interesting that : Title to the gold IS: 79 on the Periodic table.

Andrew West​Haha jimmy. There is no superchat button. You know that

Clayton Watson​Also @phil, Fenn was more worried about it cracking from the cold so he heated the wax until it was smoking (to get the lowest viscosity) so that it more deeply penetrate the threads on the olive jar.

Paul Ammons​AGK if there is dust how can it be wet?

Cain Holshouser​AGK: What could the blaze be that no person could easily remove, something small or large? Paint? What are your ideas for what the blaze could be?

Alexander Koch​how do you think FF would react in case someone would email him an correct solution to the poem? Do you think he would get cold feet and therefore retreat from the chase to avoid that it is found?

Joey Pero​@AGK what is the strangest “anomaly” have you discovered within TTOTC memoir?

Eric Schmidt​Anyone want to see a picture of the chest in the vault?

Paul McGinty​AGK What type of car/truck did Forest drive around at the time he hid the treasure

Clayton Watson​AGK: Regarding the hide date, wouldn’t you have to take Fenn at his word similar to how you said you have to believe it when he talks about searchers being within 200/500 feet??

jaswinters​yes eric

Heather Guillen​AGK In a podcast interview between FF and Isaac Cole they are referencing to fishing areas in Yellowstone/W.Yellowstone and FF states he hasn’t been “up there since 1950” what do you think about this?

Eric Schmidt​Scrapbook 14 on Neitzel’s site

Eric Schmidt​Just to the left of his right elbow on the shelf

Joey Pero​@AGK haha yes 200-500 feet up or down?!?

Clayton Watson​I meant wouldn’t you have to believe FF buried it in 2009/2010

Joey Pero​@Eric Schmidt thank you for sharing. SB 14 is old news.

Clayton Watson​or “hid” however you want to describe it

Paul Ammons​AGK being that Fenn was a large Outdoorsman and love to fish why is there little talk about the Pecos wilderness in his writings. I lived in Cowles for 6 years.

Jon Koop​😎

jaswinters​Message deleted by Jimmy Fast.View deleted message

David Charles Davio22​AGK: Title to the gold on the Periodic table is 79.

Edward Owen​Thanks Guys…

dpete82​AGK: He mentions that he left typos in the book on purpose during one of the interviews

Cindy Guess​Thanks!!! See ya Thursday!

Joey Pero​^——yes @AGK thank you!

Joel Lewicki​AGK: Thank you!

James Kruse​Thanks guys

Edward Owen​Im heading out again in spring on my 4th…search

David Charles Davio22​Thank you..

Laurie James​TY

Eric Schmidt​TY

Journeyman​Thanks guys

Paul Ammons​👍💫👍

Au Revoir Forrest! The Fenn Nightline Episode – Live Stream with Q&A

Live Stream Chat

A Gypsy’s Kiss ​Program starts at 1 pm MST

Man In The Barn ​Hello Toby and Shelly

Jimmy Fast ​Thank you for posting the nightline show
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Toa Lime was hidden by Jimmy Fast.

Edward Owen​ Thanks for telling us Night line was doing the Forrest Fenn Interview…Looking good for 69..

Kyle Lambert ​Happy birthday toby! have fun in denver, wish I could meet you guys but I’m in the springs and doubt you guys will make it this direction

Cindy Guess​ Happy Birthday, Toby!

Eric Schmidt ​I can’t hear you Shelley

Chad Bird ​what’s up buddies, did anyone ever check out Salida more… we went skiing in red river (it looked promising, but haven’t researched it at all yet). we drove into toas to check out a movie… RR maybe

Cindy Guess​ Volume seems really low today. Better go get my hearing aids.

Edward Owen ​Volume seems normal

David Graham ​I thought that the Gorman guy found it.

Eric Schmidt​maybe its on my end..

Inna Yarm.​Hi Toby and Shelly. Thank you for promoting healthy life style/hiking. Will Forrest visit the treasure site again? how often he already visited the site?

David Graham​ Volume is low

Allen K
Thanks for being awesome, and have fun in Denver!

Eric Schmidt ​Inna – Forrest has claimed he has not gone back to the site

Eric Schmidt​ So … we shouldn’t believe anything in TFTW?

Josh Walley​ AGK

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Jimmy Fast ​No notifications

Edward Owen ​i got notifacation
lolz A a was hidden by Jimmy Fast.

Eric Schmidt​ no notification

Chad Bird​ they gotta click the little bell to get notified! remind everyone to sub and hit the bell too!

Tl Mattes​ yeah, way better

Jimmy Fast​ Volume is great now

Eric Schmidt ​Much better!!

Drew ​Forrest said to read the blogs for entertainment, and the poem like you were going to put an X on a map- any coincidence the only letter missing from the poem is an X ?

Chad Bird ​happy bday btw! second thought, why is Del always way out in an area that is dangerous?

Josh Walley​ AGK: hey guys love the show. Are there any references by Fenn of using GPS when hiding or after hiding the treasure?

Man In The Barn​ Do you think when FF said where you find my bones you will find the treasure. Do you think he meant his bones that he dug up at the pueblo and hiding from the feds?

Jimmy Fast ​I didn’t have my bell on

steve remple​ AGK. You two make a great team, love watching. Personally how reliable do you think the blogs are out there. Seems to me a lot of fluff. Unrealistic opinions and some nonsense. How do you separate?

Chad Bird​agree!

Edward Owen ​I know this has been asked before but do you think Forrest would have been able to take a hike 2 times with treasure about 3/4 mile with 30 degree the age he said he was when hid it?

Chad Bird ​they only seem to be finding 🐻 terds

Eric Schmidt ​Everyone is inexperienced until they find the treasure!! 😃

Inna Yarm. one more question 😃 : does Fenn’s idea got some form of patent? can it be implemented in other countries?

Jaswinters ​AGK just got on here so you might of talked about it already .. It almost seems in his last clue statement on nightline.. simplify the poem its like something obvious none of us is seeing in the poem?

Jaswinters ​AGK………What about the fancy font like the “J’s” look like F’s in the poem –your feedback?

Tl Mattes ​I love this Vlog. I don’t comment much but I’m always nodding my head in agreement. It’s unnerving sometimes. Get out of my head Toby! Seriously, Happy Birthday

Kyle Lambert ​I recall reading somewhere that fenn was sort of a rule breaker, I havent got his book yet, but would you guys say that jives with the fenn you’ve met?

steve remple​ AGK Do you you think it’s possible F clue of 200′ is in elevation? He wouldn’t be misleading a searcher if they were 500′ away but 200′ in elevation. What do you think??

Wayne Peterson​ hello everyone

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James Prival​ James Prival​ Toby do you know anything about project Stargate, which operated on the findings of SRI (Stanford Research Institute)with remote viewing.Can this tool be used to help find the treasure?

Chad Bird ​where do warm waters halt in RR? if you don’t mind sharing? if you do no sweat

Nikolai Strov​ When do we simplify?

Jaswinters​ my impression of watching him in the interview .he is going to stop spotlighting this hunt because he feels not to blame for the deaths but just feels sad it happened and never expected that to happen

Edward Owen​ Toby Shelly, how do you treat treasure if found it, You dealing with “Park ranger” Land Management the Government, without this becoming a legal nightmare, that might take years, decades?

Nikolai Strov ​Happy, happy birthday Toby annnd mannny morrre! 🎂🍰🥛😎🎉

Jaswinters​ AGK Why do you think he never included more of New Mexico?

Nikolai Strov ​Aren’t we all searching for this treasure?? All of us have been within 200ft

Spurious Effect​ Edward Owen. It is illegal to remove anything from Federal Land.

Edward Owen ​Then there are NOT many places you can hide this?

Nikolai Strov​ Only one!

Jimmy Fast​ @ spurious effect …But tarry scant with marvel gaze just take the chest and go in peace

Spurious Effect​ Edward Owen Forrest said that he won’t tell anyone where you found it if you don’t. So it could, and most likely is, on federal land.


Spurious Effect​ It has to be somewhere that will not be disturbed. The only place like that are Government owned Parks and Wilderness areas.

Nikolai Strov ​I will give it to someone who has never heard of FF and then I will disappear

Edward Owen​ Spurious Effect Thanks…

Chad Bird ​gotcha, thx keep it up!

Nikolai Strov ​Happy Birthday Toby! God bless you both! 🙏

steve remple ​good luck in Denver you two.

Jimmy Fast​ Turn the bell on!!!

Edward Owen ​Thanks

Wayne Peterson​ thanks

Eric Schmidt ​tHANKS GUYS!

Jimmy Fast ​Everyone touch your notifications bell to turn it on

Chad Bird ​peace out

Shelley and Toby Interview with Asahi TV in Japan!

Shelley and I just completed a 45-minute-long interview with producers and directors from the Japanese equivalent of “Good Morning America” on Japan’s Asahi TV! Apparently, they’ve become interested in treasure hunting, and especially the hunt for Forrest Fenn’s treasure. We spoke with a translator whose English was a good as most Americans and her questions were very incisive and thought-out. They plan to run the segment in about two weeks, and will send us a copy when it has run. We’ll share it with you then.