We Discuss Lorene Mills Interview w/ Forrest Fenn | Live Stream Followed by Q&A

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A Gypsy’s Kiss​😃

Clayton Watson​Hello Hello

Jimmy Fast​Hello

Rick Plank​Hello from Cincinnati

Allen K​Hello AGK! Looking and sounding good!

Wayne Peterson​hey all NuggetBrain Wayne here

B Cross​Hello all

David Charles Davio22​Like hat you all are doing lately. Much Love

Ashley Bergstrom​Hello!

Paul McGinty​hello all

fossilman123​howdy all

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David Charles Davio22​Davio audio. Sounds good.

Edward Owen​sup

Cmonkeyification​Aww, new book smell. Mmm…

David Charles Davio22​New book smell. lol

Laura Doise​watch all the time!!

Andrew West​AGK Third time catching you live!! Spread the good word Toby

Andrew West​AGK, didn’t you guys already post this Video? Didn’t it originally have the New Mexico arts intro NMEA?

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Steve Gaghagen​AGK searcher was Marc Howard

Jimmy Fast​Keep it mint in box for the most Money

Cmonkeyification​AGK: When you inform the media, tell us where it was located!!!

Eric Schmidt​AGK: when you anonymously have it auctioned at Southbys won’t they the IRS tax you? (even though the auction price will be higher the government will take their share)

Cmonkeyification​AGK: or at least where warm waters halt

Eric Schmidt​Cmonkeyification – they have said they will never reveal where it was found if they find it

Jimmy Fast​There is no upside to revealing where it was found….tell no one!

Eric Schmidt​Jimmy – exactly!

Andrew West​AGK, where is the superchat button/link?

Eric Schmidt​Toby – check your thermostat..

David Dow​AGK: have you listened to the interview 10/25/2010? It’s about 20 minutes long.

Block​Can treasure be hidden in Santa Fe mountains ?

John Wood​it would be extremely difficult for me to part with any of the treasure if I find it.

Journeyman​I would say “I left 20-50 gold coins for 2nd place and good luck!”

James Kruse​Howdy

Jimmy Fast​@journeyman you will lose a lot of value if you break up the treasure

walters1134​the value is in the chase not the gold

Journeyman​It’s not about more value than I will already have gotten.

Joey Pero​Yes yes yes!

David Charles Davio22​I am sure there are two 1933 Double eagle coins. That would make world News.

Edward Owen​why 1993 are they valuable?

John Wood​Hopefully I can make enough sales from the autobiography that I can keep all the treasure.

Joey Pero​@AGK we should count the chapters *hint hint*

Edward Owen​David sorry 1933

Paul McGinty​8pm UK Time

Andrew West​How many joey?

David Charles Davio22​Page 4. First letter A alpha,

Eric Schmidt​Although 445,500 specimens of this Saint-Gaudens double eagle were minted in 1933, none were ever officially circulated and all but two were ordered melted down.

Paul McGinty​I’m watching from UK.

Edward Owen​Thanks

Eric Schmidt​NP

David Charles Davio22​Look up 1933 double. No one knows how many there are out there. But FOREST the great collector.

Bill Gorman​You’ll find many of his bottle caps in his special place which means you’ll need a metal detector.

Edward Owen​Thanks

An Average Person​AGK – did you notice at 7:24 min’s, she wants to discuss the treasure and starts with “so you buried the treasure…” and doesn’t get corrected.

Joey Pero​Hello AGK!

Liam O’Neil​An average person, she corrected herself right after saying that

Joel Lewicki​AGK: Hey!

Joel Lewicki​on twitter, “agypsyskisstv” and “agypsyskisslive” appear to both be available (FYI)

An Average Person​Liam… hummm… let me go look again, thanks.

Clayton Watson​🏔🏔🏔🏔

Steve Gaghagen​AGK how many differences are there between the different editions? could there be more hints in the first edition?

Andrew West​I am on my phone. I don’t see emojis or $

Jimmy Fast​No super chat on my iPhone 7+

Paul Ammons​got it👍

David Charles Davio22​Fenn the great collector 1933 Double eagle Thats how he will know it was found.

Stephen Johns​Hi AGK from Canada.

David Charles Davio22​Have seen you the video 2010 AT the CODY mussium

Joey Pero​Hahahhaha my pleasure ! Keeping it honest !

Cmonkeyification​[message retracted]

Cindy Guess​Mary-Charlotte Radio Cafe

Joey Pero​Start with the first post mark @agk

Timothy Alkire​why would ff say “Occasionally it’s wise for the fox to dress like the hound” if he hid it on Public land.

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Adam Foddy​Hey Toby and Shelley! Hope you are both well

Block​Is the Santa Fe ski basin within the search area ?

Heather Guillen​Have you guys considered that the clues may not start in the 4 states that are represented? The treasure may be in those states but not the first few clues?

Paul Ammons​Do the nine clues and locations to those clues land within the boundaries of the TFTW Map”

Joel Lewicki​AGK: on Twitter

David Charles Davio22​THE Buffalo bill center interviews 2010.

MR G​AGK-Do you really believe that somebody has been within 200 ft or 500 ft from the treasure?

David Charles Davio22​McCracken Research Library has interveiws 2010

Timothy Alkire​I forgot to put AGK. on my question, darn it…

Chuck Denny​Hello from Charlotte, NC!

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

David Charles Davio22​AGK so new at this. McCracken Research Library is

Edward Owen​AGk do you have to reveal to anyone (IRS etc )where you found treasure….Thx

Block​[message retracted]

Liam O’Neil​I do, but what did fenn mean by searchers? Everyone is searching for something so anybody could have been within 500-200 ft

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Cmonkeyification​David Charles Davio22 where are the videos located?

David Charles Davio22​AGK McCracken Research Library is the Buffalow bill mussium. . He was interveiwed, 2010. at the time he went out to bury it.

Block​AGK thank you for answering my question !! God bless .

Rick Plank​@AGK: Do you know if FF owns any other land?

Nikolai Strov​[message retracted]

Cmonkeyification​David Charles Davio22 Where can you find the inteview? Is it on their website?

Andrew West​AGK I solved the problem of public private land. Forrest “lost” this chest. All you have to do is return it and give me back my bracelet, and it’s yours.

Steve Gaghagen​AGK as for the new Mexico parks regulations for warm waters are more of them located north of Santa Fe or south of Santa Fe?

Stephen Johns​AGK Forrest once referred to a adding a hundred thousand dollar cheque as the way of telling if the treasure was found. Now he can’t remember if he did it. Your thoughts. Thanks

David Charles Davio22​AGK . Do you find it interesting that the book just Starts on page 4, and the first Letter is A… Alpha, page 6 W omega.? your thoughts ?

Eric Schmidt​Andrew WEst – that works only if FOrrest is still alive..

Cmonkeyification​AGK: Couldn’t Forrest just leave a legal title transfer document within the chest for the finder?

Andrew West​Eric he isn’t the only one who knows the location. If will be passed on with his estate

Journeyman​AGK I have looked at New Mexico fishing regs. Can you explain the in detail warm waters?

AJ 21​Do think WWWH could be a glacier ?

Edward Owen​AGK could you please explain why you beleive FF was closer to 70 verses 80? Thanks guys…

Paul Ammons​AKA I don’t believe I would keep a secret with FF…Lol

Heather Guillen​AGK Do either of you know how Fenn came into ownership of San Lazarus pueblo? I want to know if he bought the land knowing it was on the property and planned to excavate it or if it was a coincidence?

James Kruse​Agk: do you think the TC is bare, or did fenn protect the box somehow, which might allow it to be hiding it in plain sight?

Steve Gaghagen​thanks Toby and Shelley great show and great content!

MR G​AGK-I know you guys believe that Forrest hid the treasure before 2009-2010. Didn’t the FBI supposedly see the chest in his house around 2009-2010?

phil​The chest can’t be anywhere too hot or the wax on the jar would melt, besides river bottoms, where else could work?

Clayton Watson​Phil, micro crystalline wax has a melting point of 145-200 degrees depending on type.

Andrew West​AGK Shelley, you always skip my comments 😡

phil​@Clayton Watson roger that

Jimmy Fast​Hit the super chat button Andrew

David Charles Davio22​AGK Interesting that : Title to the gold IS: 79 on the Periodic table.

Andrew West​Haha jimmy. There is no superchat button. You know that

Clayton Watson​Also @phil, Fenn was more worried about it cracking from the cold so he heated the wax until it was smoking (to get the lowest viscosity) so that it more deeply penetrate the threads on the olive jar.

Paul Ammons​AGK if there is dust how can it be wet?

Cain Holshouser​AGK: What could the blaze be that no person could easily remove, something small or large? Paint? What are your ideas for what the blaze could be?

Alexander Koch​how do you think FF would react in case someone would email him an correct solution to the poem? Do you think he would get cold feet and therefore retreat from the chase to avoid that it is found?

Joey Pero​@AGK what is the strangest “anomaly” have you discovered within TTOTC memoir?

Eric Schmidt​Anyone want to see a picture of the chest in the vault?

Paul McGinty​AGK What type of car/truck did Forest drive around at the time he hid the treasure

Clayton Watson​AGK: Regarding the hide date, wouldn’t you have to take Fenn at his word similar to how you said you have to believe it when he talks about searchers being within 200/500 feet??

jaswinters​yes eric

Heather Guillen​AGK In a podcast interview between FF and Isaac Cole they are referencing to fishing areas in Yellowstone/W.Yellowstone and FF states he hasn’t been “up there since 1950” what do you think about this?

Eric Schmidt​Scrapbook 14 on Neitzel’s site

Eric Schmidt​Just to the left of his right elbow on the shelf

Joey Pero​@AGK haha yes 200-500 feet up or down?!?

Clayton Watson​I meant wouldn’t you have to believe FF buried it in 2009/2010

Joey Pero​@Eric Schmidt thank you for sharing. SB 14 is old news.

Clayton Watson​or “hid” however you want to describe it

Paul Ammons​AGK being that Fenn was a large Outdoorsman and love to fish why is there little talk about the Pecos wilderness in his writings. I lived in Cowles for 6 years.

Jon Koop​😎

jaswinters​Message deleted by Jimmy Fast.View deleted message

David Charles Davio22​AGK: Title to the gold on the Periodic table is 79.

Edward Owen​Thanks Guys…

dpete82​AGK: He mentions that he left typos in the book on purpose during one of the interviews

Cindy Guess​Thanks!!! See ya Thursday!

Joey Pero​^——yes @AGK thank you!

Joel Lewicki​AGK: Thank you!

James Kruse​Thanks guys

Edward Owen​Im heading out again in spring on my 4th…search

David Charles Davio22​Thank you..

Laurie James​TY

Eric Schmidt​TY

Journeyman​Thanks guys

Paul Ammons​👍💫👍

“It’s in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe.” – Forrest Fenn, “The Thrill of the Chase,” 2010


We have often said that we take anything Fenn has said after December 31, 2012 as tactical offensive counterintelligence. Technically, that leaves us only the fundamentals with which to work: the contents of “The Thrill of the Chase,” and anything we learn about Fenn before that date.

In “The Thrill of the Chase,” referring to where he hid the treasure, Fenn writes:

“It’s in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe.”

Here’s a hypothetical for you to consider.

Let’s say your best friend in Santa Fe called to chat. You discuss a number of things, and one of them was that he was going camping, and doing a little trout fishing, the coming weekend.

When you ask him where he was going, he says, “In the mountains North of Santa Fe.” You tell him you wished you were going with him, and eventually, you end the call.

The following week, you receive a call from your best friend’s spouse. She tells you that he hadn’t yet returned from his weekend outing, and that emergency responders were about to begin a search for him.

She tells you she needs your help, then she asks whether or not he had mentioned to you where he was going camping.

You respond by saying, “He told me he was headed into the mountains somewhere North of Santa Fe.”

She thanks you, and before she ends the call, you hear her shout to the emergency responders who are about to depart, “Look for him in Colorado, Wyoming or Montana!”

Yeah. Crazy, huh?


How to Ask Forrest Fenn a Question

Copy of live stream chat below the video.


A Gypsy’s Kiss​ Merry Christmas one and all! Please start your questions to us with AGK:

Man In The Barn ​Hello All

Jimmy Fast​ Merry Christmas

David Dow​ Hello

Cindy Guess​ Merry Christmas!!!

Tl Mattes​ Merry Christmas 😃

AJ 21 ​Hello merry xmas

Thomas D​ Marry Christmas everyone! how goes the search

Man In The Barn​were in

WorldFamous Gamer​ merry Christmas 🎄 God bless y’all O:)

Jimmy Fast​ Here

Jeremy Milstead ​hello

Jimmy Fast​[message retracted]

WorldFamous Gamer ​love the elf ears Shelly lol

Scott P ​glad you are putting this one out. Have been e-mailing him for 3 years with no replies. Even when I sent him birthday cards.

WorldFamous Gamer ​I tried to get a hold of him too but no luck :/

Scott P ​my brother hot one four word response from him but I don’t know anyone else that has.

Jeremy Milstead​ Out of 6 emails I’ve sent, Fenn has responded once. I asked about the bombs on pg. 99 of TTOTC.

Seannm Seannm​ Do we need to sign in on a form so that Forrest knows we have attended this class and are qualified to ask hm a question? Wink

Bill Gorman​ The world’s deepest hot spring halts at 1,000 feet down and is in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe.

Edward Owen ​Merry Christmas When will Forest Fenns night line interview be aired..

Bill Gorman​ I asked him in person, “what do you think of me?” he answered “You’re the craziest guy I know!” I told him “thank you, I have to e as crazy as the guy who hid it to find it.”

Spurious Effect​ Even Forrest isn’t as crazy as you Bill. LOL


Allen James​ When did the stream start?

Man In The Barn ​Bill, I want to say I don’t think you are as crazy as they make you seem. I also don’t think you are in the right place but your logic scares me! I’m going to get it before you figure out the mistake

Jarod Atchley ​21 min ago

Allen James ​/ty

Bill Gorman ​”White Man goes into his church house and talks about Jesus but the Indian goes into his tepee and talks to Jesus!” Quanah Parker

B Cross

Bill Gorman​ He quoted Quanah Parker quote that was referring to using Peyote. If you don’t go down the rabbit hole you’ll never find it.

B Cross​ This is Bill from Texas (not “Bryan” Shelley!!) lol

eric moore ​what is fens e mail address?

Jimmy Fast​ forrestfenn@gmail.com

eric moore​ thank u

Bill Gorman​Forrest Fenn FeΩΩatics on Facebook, got the evidence of all the drawings in nature.

Shain McLaughlin​ Can you please clarify why FF gave acknowledgement to Andrew Briggs’ solve that caused so much controversy and nothing else was covered after that? On the Santa Fe radio talk show.

Christmas gift …you guys have been great

Bill Gorman​ I’ll go live 10 minutes after they finish

Carol Ferguson​ So glad you came to New Mexico

Bill Gorman​ Ask Forrest non related questions and he will hide a clue in an unrealted tropic

B Cross​ Did you and Shelley say in all of your searchers you have never ran into another searcher?

Jimmy Fast​[message retracted]

Jimmy Fast​ Take your medication bill, please

Bill Gorman​ Enormous search area with hundreds of symbols, I’m not searching one acre, I’m searching 3,000 acres. It is a hat trick! Which guy with the tombstone?

Cindy Guess​ AGK: Yes, the treasure IS in New Mexico. Tell us how Rev. Tolby relates to the treasure.

jaswinters​ AGK i agree its in New Mexico , but the little girl from india still bothers me she could still see it on the map so somehow i see the Treasure State would be the obvious Montana. your thoughts?

Bill Gorman​ There are even hints of Vietnam in the search area.

Jimmy Fast​[message retracted]

A J Rainville ​AGK: repeating Edward’s question earlier, when will the Nightline interview air?

Bill Gorman ​is stealth!

Carol Ferguson​ This is FF spirit box! He does not want it found for years to come

Bill Gorman​ What characters in Red Ryder was named Brown.

Mary Green​ Rev. Tolby, i looked @ that again still dont see a connect

Carol Ferguson​ You said you were going live Bill, where?

B Cross​ Why doesn’t G Kiss do 2018 Fennborie?

jaswinters ​AGK non related Fenn question, Toby, being in the military what is your thoughts on this UFO sightings back in 2004 the pentagon released that navy pilots recorded and in the news now ur thougts?

Bill Gorman​ Those guys with the camera at the signing, what happened with their production?

Shain McLaughlin ​AGK Can you please clarify why FF gave acknowledgement to Andrew Briggs’ solve that caused so much controversy and nothing else was covered after that? On the Santa Fe radio talk show.

E S ​Hope you both have a great

Jay Ell​[message retracted]

Shain McLaughlin ​He figured out the clues then used the Jefferson Cipher on the clues.

Bill Gorman ​Fred Harmon in OUAW, has a Gypsy Wagon in front of his museum where warm waters halt.

jaswinters​[message retracted]

JanKirb​ag k by the way ,the netflix TV program Longmire did an fictional episode about treasure hunters searching for a Fenn like treasure following a poem in Wyoming . Well done. Some might enjoy that.

Jay Ell​ AGK: We miss the little bear, Shelly!

Shain McLaughlin​ Fenn Said, he’s a bright guy, he’s got a lot of it figured out…maybe” FF said also, that Andrew Briggs must be added to the list of those who presume to know the clues.

JanKirb ​longmire season 6 episode 2 is the treasure hunter episode

Bill Gorman​ I’ve run into thousands of Clovis Tombs, an Omega Arch over most of them. I let each Caveman and Cavewoman know I see them. It’s like getting a letter lost for 14,000 years. Like Forrest’s arrowhead

James Jones​ Forrest says that he wants to find the edges and be challenged. Is your questioning strategy fit for purpose ?

Mary Green​ Andrew Briggs’ solve,i thought ff was being low key sarcastic

E S​[message retracted]

David Dow​ AGK….Do you know how we can view The Lure documentary?

Carol Ferguson ​Toby: did you know that their is US Naval Ship named Cimmaron that served during Vietnam?

E S ​Forrest has written the poem to encourage people to experience nature. Has he ever said that the treasure is in nature? As opposed to an urban area.

Mary Green ​Carol Ferguson, wow ship name

Shain McLaughlin​ AGK Do you think FF hid the treasure in a public semi public place? That’s why maybe he laughed to himself on the way back to his car. Also, maybe it is why a child has an advantage.

Tl Mattes ​was thinking the same thing the other day, Shain.

Carol Ferguson​ Mary Green In the poem No Place is also a town in England where a type of mapping was developed

hydromakers​ Your web site is down.

Mary Green​ Carol Ferguson, ill check that out ty

Cindy Guess​ AGK: I recently asked Forrest “Have you ever told anyone that home of Brown is NOT related to Brown trout”. He did not answer. AGK, have you ever come across someone saying this? Your thoughts?

Carol Ferguson ​In the old census reports The Home of Brown I believe is the Native Americans just as White people or Black people

AJ 21​ What do think about CO/NM border could be where warm water halts ?

E S​ Toby or Shelley , do you plan on getting Cynthia’s book on her experiences in her quest for the treasure?

Shain McLaughlin ​AGK why are there 3 versions of the poem? Also why does everything revolved around Brown. Literally the color it self in the poem and in the book?

Carol Ferguson​ AJ I believe Where the Warm Waters Halt refer to the end of an Indian reservation as there is a Clan referred to as The Water Clan

Bill Gorman ​AGK, since Toby was Army he should know how my ancestor Major Robert Rogers relates to Lewis and Clark and the treasure hunt?

Bryan Schultz ​I made it..Can you start over please..😃

Jimmy Fast​ Lol

Tl Mattes​ AGK but Cindy is saying Did he ever say NOT Brown Trout.

Bryan Schultz

Cindy Guess​ Thanks TL

Bob Schoppman​ AGK Why do you feel that the chest is not West of the Rio Grande? example Chama area

Joshua Formanek​ Can someone find the treasure in Cimarron Canyon and keep it, or will the state take the treasure away?

WorldFamous Gamer ​AGK: Forrest said he felt like an architect drawing the poem, my question is why aren’t people’s solves involving drawing or using numbers like architects do? God bless y’all Merry Christmas 🎄 🙂

Shain McLaughlin​ 3 versions of word formats. Did FF pick those word formats or was it reccomended?

Chris Bischof ​AGK – So we’ve come to the conclusion he rented a car, right?

Bob Schoppman ​Thank You!!!

hydromakers​ AGK Your web site is down.

WorldFamous Game r​Thank you 🙂

AJ 21​Can you give me a percentage of all four states which has the higher likelihood of having the treasure


Shain McLaughlin​Cursive VS english

david goedel​federal land anything worth over $25 must be turned over.

Cindy Guess​Not down for me

Carol Ferguson​Actually when one googles Poetry, architects actually comes up

A J Rainville​AGK: You’ve previously said that there’s a 50/50 chance the chest is never found. What is your opinion on the percent chance the chest is found, but the finder never goes public with it?

WorldFamous Gamer​here’s an early Christmas present lol, is it possible Yellowstone on the map (which is written in purple) could be the home of Brown? yellow and purple makes Brown is why I ask, very interesting.

Bill Gorman​Why is there a giant Columbian Mammoth in the Gallery’s garden.

Chris Derbidge​AJS Fenn talks a lot about crossing park boundaries rules, old biddies teasing him that he is not allowed to cross the street, not being able to drive to the lake. Do you think this theme is a hint?

A J Rainville​TY AGK

Bill Gorman​Get to know the local LEO of the park, mine said I could keep it, same with the Sheriff

Jimmy Fast​Fenn put something in the chest that will let him know the chest has been found

Carol Ferguson​Jimmy Fest, I bet it would be directions to contact his attorneys?

Bill Gorman​What if it is within a hwy ROW?

Spurious Effect​AGK Could you announce the find anonymously, and then just leave it up to Forrest whether to disclose HIS secret spot or not?

Shain McLaughlin​AGK What do you think is the extra item in the chest that FF refuses to disclose?

Shain McLaughlin​AGK Do you think the first clue or the first 2 clues could have you start at a location outside of the boundaries of the chosen states? Then the rest of the clues lead you in to the spot.

Mary Green​or What if it is within a R&R ROW?

Bill Gorman​Ask Forrest what kind of person will find the treasure?

Bud Snow​FF has said that he KNOWS without a doubt that the treasure has not been found yet, but he wont disclose how he knows…Do you have any thoughts on how he knows?

Carol Ferguson​AGK do you think that the reference to Horse shoes could refer to the shape of Indian pueblos?

Chris Derbidge​AGS: Do you think year round weather was an important determination in his choice of a final resting place?

Shain McLaughlin​What if its another poem to another small treasure of artifacts that he hid?

Chris Derbidge​Agk .. auto corect

David Dow​Do you feel warm waters halt has a hint in the thrill of the chase? Othrwise, there are thousands of wwwh in the Rockies. There is only one that counts.

WorldFamous Gamer​he knows because it’s on one of the properties he bought is my theory.

MagneticUniverse​Did Forrest first stumble upon the treasure location from the air?

MR G​AGK-What do you feel the level of interest in the Fenn Hunt is now compared to years past? Do you foresee future interest growing or declining?

WorldFamous Gamer​good question magnetic universe

Bill Gorman​Horseshoes are Omegas

Bjchamblee​do you think Forrest really wants tobe able to show the really genius of the architectural design of the poem ,clue by clue, before he passes?

AJ 21​Is there any connection between Indian culture and poem?

Bill Gorman​Typical Clovis Tomb is inside an omega shaped arch of rocks.

Carol Ferguson​AKG- Thank you

Shain McLaughlin​AGK Why do you think FF has an obsession with Butch Cassidy?

Bill Gorman​I’ll be live after his battery goes dead!

Jarod Atchley​AGK If you guy’s find the treasure will you continue to do the vlog?.

Carol Ferguson​Bill Gorman- where do you find you?

Bill Gorman​Carol, click my user name should go to my page but I’m waiting for Toby and Shelly to finish

Shain McLaughlin​FF said “warm” means comfortable to him. But he never said that was the intended use of the word in the poem.

Bob Schoppman​AGK Do you know what types of art did Mr. Fenn personally make? Castings?

Carol Ferguson​AKG- do you know that the Tewa Indians consist of the Water Clan in N.M. and is it part of your solve?

Chris Derbidge​AGK: His book collection seems to have a lot of letters and journals from historical people. Which people do you think he is fascinated by the most? And do you think the solve is historical based?

Bill Gorman​Warm Waters halt 1,000 feet below Pagosa Hot Springs, worlds deepest and home of Fred Harmon aka Red Ryder

Man In The Barn​what if NMG&F and the state of NM rewrote what Warm Waters mean… Does your solve change?

Bill Gorman​He returned the beads to Colorado

Bill Gorman​”It isn’t in a desert” f

Carol Ferguson​I think he may have when he spread Olga ashes from his plane

Bill Gorman​People are blind to the extreme size of the poem’s search area, it’s no playground.

Shain McLaughlin​Well if it starts to decline and FF doesn’t see us chasing maybe he will reveal another clue. So maybe we should converse on a private network from here on in.

Adam Foddy​Hi guys! Just logged on

Bill Gorman​AGK facebook page gone or I’m blocked.

Bill Gorman​He will not give new clues because I’m so close.

Man In The Barn​Or is it because I am?

Shain McLaughlin​What if FF is watching right now under a different name?

Bill Gorman​His stick man and lines on the cover of Once Upon A While is a map

Carol Ferguson​Lol or is it because I am?

Man In The Barn​I sat on top of it….

Man In The Barn​😃

Ron Leak​How would you sell the treasure or would FF buy it back?

Carol Ferguson​AGK- has anyone ever tried to get a copy of his Memoir to the library of Congress?

Mary Green​Tewa is in my notes, a warm tree place iirc

Man In The Barn​I emailed TLOC and they responded that they do not have any book by FF and sent me a list of libraries that do have it

Mary Green​man in barn, the regs havent changed much in 10yr

Belva Jenkins​Yes Toby, it is that easy.

Carol Ferguson​Mary Green- Tewa is definitely important as the Water Clan and the Rainbow Clan are part of the tribe.

Bill Gorman​Brown knew Butch

Bill Gorman​Butch Casidey and Brown’s Hole

Shain McLaughlin​Butch CASSIDY… street gang cowboys in the book? Lots of references. Butch CASSIDY and dinosaur park etc. There is much more.

Bill Gorman​Toby sweating because I’m going live as soon as his battery goes dead

David Dow​Do you know what year he started doing the bronze castings? Post diagnosis of cancer?

Shain McLaughlin​AGK Where do the Kiowa Indians fit in the mix of all of this?

Jimmy Fast​Do you think Forrests cancer is related to his fathers? As if they both contracted it by visiting the los alamos area together

Bill Gorman​He found tombs on top of the mountain flying his plane around looking for indian shelters. Just happened to be Clovis Tombs

Carol Ferguson​David Dow- FF was doing casting when he still lived in TX and sold his foundry before he moved to Santa Fe

David Dow​Thanks

Bill Gorman​he left the chest to be found in 10,000 years where others have been hidden for 14,000 years

Shain McLaughlin​AGK…FF said the clues are in order. Do you think the clues are in order in the poem or that FF meant in order for you to follow in person but they would not be in order in the poem the way we think?

Bill Gorman​The poem says “The end is in my drawings”

Poem Treasure​Good idea

Bill Gorman​I got the Rockwell drawing on page 25 perfectly painted on rocks in the canyon

Chris Derbidge​AGK: Not including NM fish and game warm waters reference. What other government survey or historical record have you read that used the term “Warm Water(s)”?

Shain McLaughlin​AGK FF said the treasure is wet and still is. Even to this very day as the way he put it. Do you think it is due to a flash flood? Or possibly from snow build up but he waited to mention it years late

Poem Treasure​In order

Mary Green​agk day sailing when i lived in fla, miss it

Carol Ferguson​Bill Gorman- then go get it Bill! I’m in Durango and we have no snow

Poem Treasure​Yes

Carol Ferguson​I agree and think Skippy May have had cancer to just based on how he was found

Steve Klein​AGK ask fenn to give me the location so I can make sure it’s still there I promise not to take it!

Stephen Johns​Have all the legal issues regarding Forrests ownership of items; some of which may be in the chest, been settled?

Poem Treasure​Fenn said that it’s not under water but it could be in water

Shain McLaughlin​AGK… what about FF statement about smelling pinyon nuts?????? Which would eliminate some area? Then he tried to retract statement.

David Dow​Great show!!!

AJ 21​Merry Christmas

Bob Schoppman​Enjoyed!!!

Jimmy Fast​Merry Christmas and happy new year

Renee Slarve​thank you

WorldFamous Gamer​AGK: MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄 🎁

Shain McLaughlin​Get ready bill.

Chris Derbidge​Good show!

Renee Slarve​thank you


A Clue in the Denver Museum of Nature & Science?

56 of the Objects in the Fenn Cache. Cast.

We have, on numerous occasions, been asked where we are planning our next recon. Between January 17, and January 22, we shall be traveling to Denver to visit the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. We believe there is at least a hint, and perhaps even a clue, hidden amongst its exhibits.

From the foreword, written by Douglas Preston, to Fenn’s third memoir, “Once Upon a While:”

“The final clue, he (Fenn) said, would be where they found his (Fenn’s) car: in the parking lot of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science.” (Italics are mine.)

We do not believe the clue would have been found in his (Fenn’s) car or the parking lot of the museum.

The clue, we believe, is within the museum. We further believe the clue is related to Fenn’s “special place.”

We will report on our findings next year.

Edited: This is not meant to imply that our position on the matter of “in which State the treasure is located” has changed.

Edited: Helpful in planning your visit.


The Postmarks in Fenn’s “Once Upon a While” | Live Stream with Live Q & A | Includes Text From



A Gypsy’s Kiss​Start your questions to us with AGK:

A Gypsy’s Kiss​😃

Jimmy Fast​Welcome

Rick Plank​Hello from Cincinnati!

Jason Hilgerson​AGk

jaswinters​Hello from Iowa

Bryan Schultz

Jimmy Fast​I will

Man In The Barn​I’m in

A Gypsy’s Kiss​Jimmy Fast is today’s mod. Thank you!

Jason Hilgerson​AGk Shelly I checked out your other. Very informative, made me reflect on my own relationship. Good advice👍🏻

Jason Hilgerson​Jas winters I’m from IA as well

Jason Hilgerson​I live up by Decorah

jaswinters​Clear Lake

Pamela Shetron​AGK What are your thoughts about the treasure chest being donated anonymously to the Smithsonian? Do you think the poem is Fenn’s funeral procession?

Cmonkeyification​AGK: What’s with the postmarks in TTOTC? I’ve never seen a similar postmark used anywhere. Why the discrepancy in day of week and actual day?

Jason Hilgerson​It would be kinda cool to hang out with a like mind

B Cross​Good Evening

Man In The Barn​That’s a great image

Cindy Guess​I’m with Shelly on the stamps

jaswinters​AGK think Fenn is telling people who are making the book do certain things special to the book for clues or is just the creators of the book just adding things to make it look like era of the stories?

MR G​AGK: If you had to guess, how old do you think Forrest was when he first discovered the treasure location and what might he have been doing there?

imont80​AGK… greetings from McAllen Tx

Man In The Barn​AGK: I too have spent a lot of time looking at the postmarks. Found nothing… What % of a possibility do you think they may be a red herring?

jaswinters​facebook me

Jason Hilgerson​4sure

B Cross

ashley bergstrom

Pamela Shetron​Thanks! Do you think there is a good reason why the chest was left unlocked and the key to the chest rest on top?

jaswinters​hilgerson www1idwillhe.wordpressdotcom

Cmonkeyification​AGK: Back to the TTOTC postmarks. Statistically, wouldn’t at least one day name and date line up?

Matt​Nothingburgers are delicious

Wayne Peterson​agk if you put in a museum they insure it and might pay you to display it

Matt​AGK, would applying the Sloane joke perhaps align the dates? Sloane said he was born 1910 vs 1905, something like that from ttotc…

Pamela Shetron​AGK,Thanks! Do you think there is a good reason why the chest was left unlocked and the key to the chest rest on top?

JanKirb​AGK Do you think he was looking for artifacts or a good fishing spot or just a good view when he found his place?

Edward Owen​Great show, Where are you two going next in yoru search?

jaswinters​AGK Toby and Shelly Have you met fenns wife and what does she say about fenn wanting to be buried without her i know my grandma would be mad??

Man In The Barn​AGK: I too have spent a lot of time looking at the postmarks. Found nothing… What % of a possibility do you think they may be a red herring?

Rick Plank​AGK: Do you think the postmark stamps are created by Forrest himself?

JT​Fenn has said the chest was not locked, but the key was inside the chest. He also said he didn’t want to lock it b/c he didn’t want the finder to break the chest in order to open it.


Jimmy Fast​[message retracted]

David Whiskey​The chest is worth big money by it self.

JanKirb​[message retracted]

JanKirb​AGK BTW you may run into a park ranger at Mesa Verde by the name of ………….Christy Brown


JT​AGK: What are your thoughts on the story about the stolen ball of string? There is mention of the mail man in this story as well. Was this discussed earlier in the show? I was late.

Jimmy Fast​Not the mail man, the post man

JT​my mistake, thanks for the correction

John Wood​[message retracted]

Jimmy Fast​I wondered about the ball of string too

David Whiskey​Thanks guys

Matt​could be a figure of speech, spinning a good yarn

Cindy Guess​Thanks, AGK!!!

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A Hint in Fenn’s OUAW? (The Curious Case of the Unique Postmark)

We have just begun our research on the postmarks printed in Fenn’s 11th book, and 3rd memoir, “Once Upon a While.” The first step in our research was photographing each of the postmarks in the book. While shooting the photos, this particular postmark stood out. We’ll discuss it, and our research into the postmarks in our next vlog: 1pm MST, Tuesday, November 28, 2017. Subscribe today to receive a notice, or open this window at the date and time above: https://www.youtube.com/c/agypsyskiss/live

And, we’ll post the other postmark images immediately upon the conclusion of our show that day.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Shelley & Toby


Postmarks: The Thrill of the Chase, November, 2017

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The Events of May 18 and November 2.

In our YouTube channel live stream this coming week we are going to opine on the events of May 18, 2017 and November 2, 2017 and how they have affected Fenn. The presentation will be followed by Q&A from the live chat, in which we will express more opinions.

Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 1pm MT

If you care to join the conversation, you can subscribe to our YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/c/agypsyskiss. If you don’t care to subscribe you can go to https://www.youtube.com/c/agypsyskiss/live

If you miss it, the live stream will be posted to our YouTube channel within a few hours after the live stream.

There is no charge for either.

The End Has Drawn Nigh.

The following are my opinions.

I have, on more than one occasion, said and written that the event on May 18, 2017 caused a change in Fenn. He was already tired of the “activity” around the effort to find the treasure he hid. May 18, to me, was the straw that broke the burro’s back. Soon after that, Fenn made a conscious decision to put distance between him and the search. Effectively, he went quiet, to the extent that it became a topic of conversation in the community.

There was, of course, a production effort to get the new book out, but most of the work was performed by Jessica, Susan and Lou – with a little help from Preston. The book, perhaps providing the opportunity for Fenn to pay down some karmic debt. Not that he has much, mind you.

But, if there was any doubt about Fenn circling the proverbial wagons closer to him, the book signing at Collected Works in Santa Fe on November 2, 2017 should put those doubts to rest. Call it his swan song.

(We streamed it. You can see it here.)

Here’s what I observed: a man who has made another conscious decision to spend whatever remains of his life not worrying about whether his treasure he hid is found or not. He’s done. We will cover the topic more in our next week’s live stream on YouTube. Subscribe here.

He will, I believe, go quietly, bravely, confidently, securely, proudly, happily, and with a great sense of satisfaction, into the night.

And, I believe he’s entitled to every bit of it.

Godspeed, Forrest Fenn. Thank you.